Japan Earthquake

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Bummer "The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, TEPCO, says it has suspended circulating decontaminated wastewater around reactors only about one and a half hours into operation. "
by RBeaner 6/27/2011 11:48:51 AM

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by AustralianCannonball 6/27/2011 11:49:51 AM

Morning all!

@Pedro, Calhoun is running off one of their back up grid connections now. A number of sites didn't get the follow up.
by lillymunster 6/27/2011 11:50:49 AM

@lillymunster The Portuguese media didn't get that update yet. Last update said they were running on diesel run backup generators. That's a bit more reassuring. Is the flood water contained then?
by Pedro Jesus 6/27/2011 11:53:01 AM

KETV, that they reconnected to the grid. I caught a bit on local TV news that Gavins Point is going back up to 160k releases due to the 7 inches of rain Pierre SD got over the week. www.ketv.com
by lillymunster 6/27/2011 11:53:16 AM

#Radiation in Japan: Government Wants to Offer Japan's Seafood to Developing Nations

As part of the ODA (Official Development Assistance) under the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, a host of aid programs for developing nations around the world, the Japanese national government is going to buy up processed seafood [canned fish, for example?] from the earthquake-affected areas and offered them to developing nations.

It's not clear whether these seafood packages will be free or they will make the developing nations pay, even a token amount. But don't worry, says Nikkei Shinbun, they will be first tested for radiation by the WFP (UN's World Food Program). ex-skf.blogspot.com
by Majj 6/27/2011 11:54:04 AM

@Pedro Jesus I would not call it contained. They have 2 feet of water up against the containment and accessory building (sfp, turbines etc). They claim the doors are "waterproof". This river level is expected to last until August.
by lillymunster 6/27/2011 11:54:32 AM

@Majj Polish spinach was dead cheap in South Africa after Chernobyl :(
by es 6/27/2011 11:55:51 AM

Oh and they are using a different power connection from what I understand rather than hooking back to their normal main one. So that sounds like a nice way of saying they lost their main normal grid connection. They were just smart enough to add multiple back up grid connections. IIRC they had 2, added a 3rd.
by lillymunster 6/27/2011 11:56:07 AM

@lillymunster That's over the 40 days diesel supply at the site (at least for Cooper NPP, not sure about Calhoun). I hope they keep get the off-site grid connection running.
by Pedro Jesus 6/27/2011 11:57:03 AM

@es aND WE HAVE HOLLAND MILK FOR MONTHS HERE FOR HALF PRICE...
by Majj 6/27/2011 11:57:29 AM

@Pedro Jesus They are on grid right now. What is not being said about either plant is where are these generators located and how have they secured their diesel. Cooper made a mention earlier in the week they had multiple underground diesel tanks. They mention nothing about what is being done to assure the underground tanks and connections won't get water in them.
by lillymunster 6/27/2011 11:58:58 AM

@Majj after Chernobyl?
by lillymunster 6/27/2011 11:59:54 AM

@lillymunster EXACTLY
by Majj 6/27/2011 12:01:25 PM

They kill theyer Kids and now want to kill our Kids
by Majj 6/27/2011 12:02:13 PM

@lillymunster According to the utilities, the diesel generators and supply tanks facilities are water proof and can operate while completely submerged.
by Pedro Jesus 6/27/2011 12:02:46 PM

by AustralianCannonball 6/27/2011 12:09:38 PM

@lillymunster On Calhoun, The Gist I get is that they shifted to onsite diesels temp as precaution when they broke the aqua dam. Water got real close to a tranformer yard, they didn't lose normal off site power. They then checked around, said things stable and reconnected to normal offsite power. That's my understanding. www.platts.com
by RBeaner 6/27/2011 12:12:03 PM

A month a go a refresh ship went to stud the waters of the Pacific Ocean . This wood be the 1 independent research on it. the ship belongs to a University in Hawaii. Never find any thing on it . The ship just deasapire from the news. The Esperanza from Green Peace also desapire......
by Majj 6/27/2011 12:13:01 PM

@Majj It disappeared from the news because the expedition has been successfully accomplished. Read all about it here. www.whoi.edu
by Pedro Jesus 6/27/2011 12:15:37 PM

@Pedro Jesus Seriously? Did they quantify their underwater diesel technology? :-) As in how this supposedly works?
by lillymunster 6/27/2011 12:16:55 PM

@Pedro Jesus Thanks . It did not show more in my Google Alerts
by Majj 6/27/2011 12:17:14 PM

@Majj That is horrible they were sending produce to Brazil. Did most people understand at the time that this was a bad thing?
by lillymunster 6/27/2011 12:18:06 PM

@RBeaner thanks, that platts article is more clear than the others about what happened.
by lillymunster 6/27/2011 12:19:09 PM

@lillymunster Every one run to by the Dutch Milk because it come from that beautiful BIG Cows....
by Majj 6/27/2011 12:21:58 PM

@lillymunster They say the facilities are water tight, meaning no water goes inside. I reckon they must have some sort of air supply and cooling systems exhaust running from the water tight facilities up high where the water won't infiltrate. I'm not sure if this account is accurate. The diesel tanks seem to be underground, anyway.
by Pedro Jesus 6/27/2011 12:23:02 PM

We eat lots of Japanese food in Brazil. We have the bigger Japanese colony in the word. I can see the Brazilian Tuna going to Japan and the Japanese Tuna be imported to Brazil....
by Majj 6/27/2011 12:23:50 PM

@Majj The Esperanza has been busy inhibiting the peaceful search for oil in the arctic, don't think theyv'e been near Japan www.dominicantoday.com
by RBeaner 6/27/2011 12:26:51 PM

@RBeaner They have one ship in Japan. they did one cruise of shore and gone....
by Majj 6/27/2011 12:28:13 PM

Every one come talk, talk ,talk and Go. The Scribbles are the only one that don't give up.
by Majj 6/27/2011 12:30:29 PM

@Majj That was the Rainbow Warrior. Maybe you confused it with the University of Hawai'i Rainbow baseball team . The other research vessel you mentioned was from Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute. Nothing from Hawaii that I am aware. Greenpeace released a bunch of data from samples taken by rainbow warrior www.greenpeace.org
by RBeaner 6/27/2011 12:37:22 PM

@RBeaner @Majj The WHOI Fukushima-Daiichi expedition took place on board the University of Hawaii research vessel R/V Kaimikai-O-Kanaloa. I think this sorts out Majj's confusion. =)
by Pedro Jesus 6/27/2011 12:43:02 PM

good morning to ever one
by dean 6/27/2011 12:43:25 PM

@RBeaner Correct Rainbow Warrior. My point is that the crisis is getting bad day after day and every one is gone. People is piing radioactivity in Japan and no body care. Sorry , I wake up this morning read the news I find my self more disgust from the word them ever. I will cool Dow
by Majj 6/27/2011 12:43:55 PM

good morning Dean. We have a number of questions about the situation in Calhoun NPP. Are you updated on the situation?
by Pedro Jesus 6/27/2011 12:44:26 PM

hi @Pedro.. not completely , I've been reading the past posts,,, on emergency diesel power supply... wow..
by dean 6/27/2011 12:50:26 PM

what are the questions @ Pedro so I can get an idea when I get up to speed?
by dean 6/27/2011 12:52:09 PM

@dean Lilly says they resumed the off-site grid power supply but I haven't seen any confirmation yet. There was an article where it was stated that Cooper NPP has enough diesel supply to run one generator for 40 days. If the water level persists high until August what are the chances of Calhoun losing power and going critical? Another question is the utility assures that the on-site power supply facilities are water tight and can operate while completely submerged. Is this true? These are my questions.
by Pedro Jesus 6/27/2011 12:54:19 PM

checking now Pedro.... one thing.. that statement about running submerged I would say is BOGUS... will get right back
by dean 6/27/2011 12:57:11 PM

@dean Another question: the utility also states that the cooling systems (for reactor and SFP) can run without electric power (mechanically via steam flux) and can be manually operated. Is this true?
by Pedro Jesus 6/27/2011 12:59:44 PM

OPPD is required to prepare for: a flood reaching 1,014 feet above sea level. Nevertheless, in the absence of any context, the press-release language is meaningless to any reader in the neighboring communities.

Almost every article about the fire and power loss at Fort Calhoun has quoted an OPPD spokesman who said that a diesel-powered backup pump was “available” but not needed. None of these articles, however, told readers how much diesel fuel is stored at the plant, how many generators and batteries are on site, and how long they could keep coolant circulating through both the reactor and spent-fuel pool. For the record, there are two emergency diesel generators at Fort Calhoun. According to Dricks, there is usually enough fuel on site to provide cooling for two weeks, but currently the plant has sufficient fuel for four weeks. Of course, the average newspaper reader would never know any of that or be privy to the timeline of potential events
by dean 6/27/2011 1:00:34 PM

many articles have reported that the temperature in the spent-fuel pools rose 2 degrees during the recent power outage. That may not sound like much, but only a few articles told readers the actual temperature of the pool. And a 2 degree rise from, say, 210 degrees Fahrenheit to 212 degrees Fahrenheit (the boiling point for water) would be catastrophic. The pool is normally kept at about 80 degrees Fahrenheit. OPPD estimated that, in the absence of any power to circulate coolant, it would take about 88 hours before water in the pool would begin boiling.
by dean 6/27/2011 1:01:39 PM