Japan Earthquake | Page 1761

  • @Peter Melzer Glad the computer was rescued. Dean emailed me his revision. I can either email it to you or post it when your around tonight. I should be online this evening. If you want it emailed let me know
    by lillymunster 6/26/2011 3:38:18 PM

  • @Bobby1 No worries, I am trying to figure some better organization for mine.

    @Peter, will look at sourceforge
    by lillymunster 6/26/2011 3:39:12 PM

  • @all Just a note....plants are in the midst of a major steam show.
    by LM 6/26/2011 3:42:59 PM

  • Low cloud ceiling, 3 and 4 pushing out lots of steam
    by lillymunster 6/26/2011 3:50:39 PM

  • @all, has anyone pulled copies or gone through that 11,000 document dump that TEPCO did a few weeks ago?
    by lillymunster 6/26/2011 3:51:26 PM

  • @lillymunster , I sent my address to nancy@, perhaps simplest way of proceeding.
    by Peter Melzer 6/26/2011 3:52:00 PM

  • @Lilly It's probably still raining..pressure of steam release over the last 24 hrs...even during the day...is definitely noteworthy. Has anyone seen a recent post on SFP temps?
    by LM 6/26/2011 3:53:05 PM

  • @Peter Melzer yes. Will forward you Dean's email
    by lillymunster 6/26/2011 3:54:17 PM

  • Found today's plant parameters. #3 SFP 62c #4 89-90c #5 26c #6 40c 1 and 2 low or no reading
    by lillymunster 6/26/2011 3:58:18 PM

  • @Lilly Thanks. I seriously wonder about the 3 reading. I would question the veracity of any gauge coming out of that unit. They haven't been able to work in there at all. Definitely curious.
    by LM 6/26/2011 4:01:07 PM

  • @all, if you know someone with experience using MS Sharepoint can you let me know. It may be an option for a shared document library system and there is a free version. I have not used it, looking for some info on best way to deploy it.
    by lillymunster 6/26/2011 4:01:48 PM

  • @Lilly Did you hear that they were spraying the walls of 6 yesterday with the plastic resin? They are concerned with rad levels at 6.... Odd.
    by LM 6/26/2011 4:02:48 PM

  • @LM They were in the garage/refueling elevator area. I don't think they have tried to go further.

    I heard that in passing that they were spraying 6. Yes really odd. They are far enough away one would think the buildings would not have large amounts of radiation on the surfaces..
    by lillymunster 6/26/2011 4:03:48 PM

  • @Edano , I am looking for the type of CAM detectors used to produce the radiation readings in the drywell. I found only one hint so far, that is they may use ionization chambers that need a constant stream of ionizable gas like proportional counters. If that hint held up, the fluctuations of readings might be explained by an uneven supply of ionizing gas.
    by Peter Melzer 6/26/2011 4:08:12 PM

  • @lillymunster , I noticed on the pics of the cleanup around unit 1 posted last night that the panels of this garage are entirely intact, whereas in unit 4 which was shutdown they are blown out. Strange!
    by Peter Melzer 6/26/2011 4:10:33 PM

  • @Peter Melzer 4's garage panels blew out. 3's didn't, I had not noticed on 1 but your saying they are intact. I think 4 had something unique happening on the lower levels.
    by lillymunster 6/26/2011 4:14:21 PM

  • Britain Announces Sites for Eight New Nuclear Power Plants
    Britain’s government has initiated plans to build eight new nuclear power plants throughout the country. This is the country’s first major announcement on the direction it is taking nuclear power since the Fukushima disaster in Japan.
    More: ohsonline.com
    by joniver 6/26/2011 4:35:13 PM

  • Greetings all
    there is a roadmap update for the 17th
    www.tepco.co.jp
    www.tepco.co.jp
    www.tepco.co.jp
    photographic www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 6/26/2011 4:36:22 PM

  • Fingers crossed but not holding my breath................Decontamination system to fully operate on Monday
    The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant says it hopes to begin full-scale operation on Monday of a system to decontaminate highly radioactive water.

    Contaminated water is still accumulating in the plant, as water is being injected to cool the reactors.

    Tokyo Electric Power Company was forced to suspend the test run of the system a number of times due to problems with a device that removes radioactive substances.

    The utility says it managed to resolve the problem by using a different absorbent material for the devices, and the equipment that removes salt is working normally.

    The company says it will review its procedures, and will consider replacing the absorption devices more frequently than once a month. www3.nhk.or.jp
    by LM 6/26/2011 4:42:14 PM

  • @LM fingers crossed here too
    by elainekirk 6/26/2011 4:43:09 PM

  • a bit too late, eh ?

    Gov't panel calls for preparations for once-in-millennium class tsunami

    TOKYO, June 26, Kyodo

    An expert panel under the government's antidisaster council urged authorities Sunday to prepare for once-in-a-millennium class tsunami in an interim report on its work to review countermeasures against earthquake and tsunami following the March 11 disaster.

    The panel of the Central Disaster Prevention Council under the prime minister said in the report that Japan's previous antidisaster measures did not anticipate the scale of the March natural calamities and may have exacerbated the resulting damage.

    Japan ''must fully reflect on'' its failure to take into account the possibility of a recurrence of the massive Jogan Earthquake in 869 when compiling its disaster countermeasures, it said.
    english.kyodonews.jp
    by Edano 6/26/2011 4:50:46 PM

  • Internal radiation exposure found in all 15 people surveyed in Fukushima

    HIROSHIMA, June 26, Kyodo
    english.kyodonews.jp
    by Edano edited by Edano 6/26/2011 4:52:49 PM

  • OPINION: Nuclear power requires perfection

    By Jonathan Schell
    NEW YORK, June 24, Kyodo

    It has been three months since the Fukushima nuclear power disaster, and a clear global consequence is emerging.

    The ''nuclear renaissance'' that supposedly was getting under way before the accident looks as though it has been stopped, and the world may even have begun the long process of getting out of the nuclear power business altogether.

    In Japan, of course, all of nuclear power is under review, and Prime Minister Naoto Kan has had to assure the country that he will step down after the Fukushima crisis is over.

    In Italy, the people have voted down nuclear power. The Swiss parliament has set the same course. Germany will phase out nuclear power altogether.

    The German case is of special historical importance. In 1938, the chemist Otto Hahn first split uranium atoms, releasing the energy in them, making possible both nuclear power and nuclear bombs.

    In this respect, the nuclear age began in Germany. Will it also end there?

    However that may be, it is interesting to inquire how this result is being reached. The basic answer is not that governments have reconsidered. Ordinary people have.

    The reversal in the German policy came after the ruling party suffered defeats in local elections. In Italy, it was the voting public that vetoed the government's plans.

    Ordinary people are not nuclear experts. But they know some things that many experts prefer to forget. They know that even in the best-run enterprises, things go awry.

    The contractor takes a kickback. The operator at the control panel falls asleep. The battery runs out sooner than expected. The scientist shades his findings because he has received a grant from the industry under inspection.

    All this forms the inescapable background when the big, rare challenges arise: the earthquake, the tsunami, the airliner crash into the containment structures.

    Of course the people in charge come up with new, improved safety plans -- more batteries, more generators, thicker containment walls, more security guards.

    But the truth known to ordinary people is that these are subject to the same ineradicable human foibles as the old safety plans. When the stakes are a cost overrun on a factory or heavier taxes or potholes in a highway, everyone eventually accepts the cost and moves on.

    But when the cost could be six nuclear reactors belching radiation wherever the winds have to carry it, rendering large territories uninhabitable, the cost is too high.

    Nuclear power requires perfection. But human life is a scene of error and turmoil. The problem is not a broken valve or an inadequate flood wall or even the earthquake or tsunami.

    It is the fundamental mismatch between fallible human beings and a universal power that is too great for us to control. That is what Fukushima teaches and that is what the world is learning.

    (Jonathan Schell, born in New York in 1943, is known as a journalist who has had influence on antinuclear movements in the United States. He has written books such as ''The Fate of the Earth'' and ''The Gift of Time.'')

    ==Kyodo
    english.kyodonews.jp
    by Edano 6/26/2011 4:55:15 PM

  • @Edano wish we had more detail of the internal cases and how they were found
    by Elaine Kirk 6/26/2011 4:59:56 PM

  • @Edano Shell put it so simple, and TRUE.
    by Shadow 6/26/2011 5:00:53 PM

  • @edano I downloaded "The Fate of the World" onto my iPad after reading that opinion piece. Brilliant!
    by LM 6/26/2011 5:02:31 PM

  • I meant, "The Fate of the Earth".
    by LM 6/26/2011 5:05:34 PM

  • @Shadow @LM : yes, Schell is a brilliant brain. old style, but brilliant.
    by Edano edited by Edano 6/26/2011 5:07:23 PM

  • Black smoke, is a sign of incomplete combustion. Something is smoldering in unit 3 and it is worse now that they pure less water into the reactor. The chemical compounds in the smoke can be identified with gas chromatography and mass spectroscopy for example. Tepco must know what is smoldering.
    by Peter Melzer 6/26/2011 5:29:15 PM

  • I don't know if this is useful to techi's but #3 is different to the others www.tepco.co.jp the doc is water seepage into ocean measures to prevent

    by elainekirk 6/26/2011 5:31:41 PM

  • Mass spectrometry, I should have said.
    by Peter Melzer 6/26/2011 5:32:39 PM

  • @Peter Has black smoke been confirmed of late?
    by LM 6/26/2011 5:37:38 PM


  • Flood berm collapsed at Nebraska nuclear plant
    Posted: Jun 26, 2011 9:59 AM PDT Updated: Jun 26, 2011 9:59 AM PDT

    FORT CALHOUN, Neb. (AP) - A berm holding back floodwater at the Fort Calhoun Nuclear Station has collapsed.

    The U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission says it's monitoring the Missouri River flooding at the plant, which has been shut down since early April for refueling.

    The 2,000-foot berm collapsed about 1:30 a.m. Sunday, allowing the swollen river to surround two buildings at the plant. The NRC says those buildings are designed to handle flooding up to 1014 feet above sea level. The river is at 1006.3 feet and isn't forecast to exceed 1008 feet.

    The NRC says its inspectors were at the plant when the berm failed and have confirmed that the flooding has had no impact on the reactor shutdown cooling or the spent fuel pool cooling.

    NRC Chairman Gregory Jaczko will visit the plant Monday.

    Copyright 2011 The Associated Press.
    by Veenie edited by Deb 6/26/2011 5:42:51 PM

  • @Veenie ouch !! that is not good news :(
    by elainekirk 6/26/2011 5:47:50 PM

  • @elainekirk It's right up there with the realization that these levees are meant to protect for about two weeks and we're looking at a summer-long flood
    .
    by RadioGuy 6/26/2011 5:50:09 PM

  • It is going to be a long summer on the sandbag lines.
    by RadioGuy 6/26/2011 5:50:50 PM

  • by es 6/26/2011 5:58:22 PM

  • @RadioGuy Oh of course the sand will shift under the pressure ...thank you
    by elainekirk 6/26/2011 5:59:20 PM

  • @es LOL
    by Edano 6/26/2011 6:01:43 PM

  • Monday, June 27, 2011

    Residents' urine now radioactive Fukushima
    Kyodo

    More than 3 millisieverts of radiation has been measured in the urine of 15 Fukushima residents of the village of Iitate and the town of Kawamata, confirming internal radiation exposure, it was learned Sunday.

    Both are about 30 to 40 km from the Fukushima No. 1 power plant, which has been releasing radioactive material into the environment since the week of March 11, when the quake and tsunami caused core meltdowns.

    "This won't be a problem if they don't eat vegetables or other products that are contaminated," said Nanao Kamada, professor emeritus of radiation biology at Hiroshima University. "But it will be difficult for people to continue living in these areas."

    Kamada teamed up with doctors including Osamu Saito of Watari Hospital in the city of Fukushima to conduct two rounds of tests on each resident in early and late May, taking urine samples from 15 people between 4 and 77.

    Radioactive cesium was found both times in each resident.

    Radioactive iodine was logged as high as 3.2 millisieverts in six people in the first survey, but none was found in the second survey.

    The data indicate accumulated external exposure was between 4.9 and 13.5 millisieverts, putting the grand total between 4.9 to 14.2 millisieverts over about two months, they said.

    "The figures did not exceed the maximum of 20 millisieverts a year, but we want residents to use these results to make decisions (to move)," said Kamada.
    by Veenie 6/26/2011 6:05:09 PM

  • i just wait to see someone peeing in the bushes ....
    by Edano 6/26/2011 6:05:14 PM

  • @Edano Oh what TIMING :-O
    by Veenie 6/26/2011 6:05:47 PM

  • @Veenie : this is horrible news.
    by Edano 6/26/2011 6:08:49 PM

  • @Edano I know, i fear those are doomed ((
    by Veenie 6/26/2011 6:10:50 PM

  • i guess they don't evacuate fuku city because it's cheaper if they leave voluntarily.
    by Edano 6/26/2011 6:14:26 PM

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