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@RadioGuy it is going to take a lot to shift these power hungry govs/companies who think they can avoid public scrutiny if we leave them to embed themselves any further - people need to get their heads out the sand and start looking around themby elainekirk 7/11/2011 7:45:02 PM- @lillymunster www3.nhk.or.jp translate.google.comby elainekirk 7/11/2011 7:45:53 PM
Speaking of maddening translations, could anyone figure out through the babblegoo translation what the gist of this story is? translate.google.comby RadioGuy 7/11/2011 7:46:41 PM
@elainekirk So they are going to irradiate a couple of workers to pull it off.by lillymunster 7/11/2011 7:47:13 PM- @lillymunster The deeply regret the necessity of this, but will give them a lifetime supply of Fuku beef and produce as a thank you.by RadioGuy 7/11/2011 7:48:55 PM
- No wait. They make them pay for their contaminated food.
You know, this story just gets more disgusting by the day.by RadioGuy 7/11/2011 7:50:03 PM - madmanjapman マッドマン
by mayumit28
「アイスランドは地熱発電の電気を海底ケーブルを通じて電気をスコットランドへ送る。地熱のタービンの世界一の製造会社は三菱重工（富士電機はニュージーランドで）なのに肝心の日本で未使用。火山活動層の上の日本は地震と津波で原発に不向きで、逆に地熱発動に適す」（環境学者レスター・ブラウン）
"Iceland to Scotland to send electricity through submarine cable electricity geothermal energy. The world's largest manufacturer of turbines for geothermal Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (Fuji, New Zealand) Nevertheless essential unused in Japan. Volcanism on the layer Japan is not suitable for nuclear power plants in earthquake and tsunami, geothermal Conversely suitable fire "(Lester Brown, an environmental scientist)
1 hour ago Favorite Retweet Replyby elainekirk 7/11/2011 7:50:35 PM - realisation that they do have alternatives amongst the people?by elainekirk 7/11/2011 7:51:07 PM
- @elainekirk I think there are cracks in the facade that they have to have all those nuke plants to have enough power. The US figure is 20%. It doesn't take that much to replace 20%. Not sure what Japan's percentage is but IIRC it wasn't huge.by lillymunster 7/11/2011 7:52:30 PM
If you give contaminate food for people working in a contaminate ambient what do you archive? I faster way to "get over" with a lot of witness. Sorry , but it is the only answer that come to my mind.by Majj 7/11/2011 7:56:53 PM- Here are a couple of telling paragraphs from that Guardian Bohai Sea article:
The companies detected the problem on 4 June, but it only came to light on 21 June thanks to a microblog leak rather than an official release. After initially downplaying the accident, the authorities finally revealed this week that it covers an area half the size of Greater London.
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Information remains sketchy... Despite vague reassurances from CNOOC on Wednesday that problem is "basically under control", there has been no estimate of the amount of oil discharged or the potential impact on marine life and coastlines. The government also revealed that the maximum penalty for such incidents is 200,000 yuan (£19,000). Compensation is likely to be considerably higher.
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The English language Global Times, which appeals to an international audience, boldly asked whether relations between government regulators and industry were too close.
"We cannot help but wonder: Is the SOA a serious watchdog that exists to prevent bigger incidents from happening, or a loving parent who is over-protective of his own child?...It is not acceptable that the SOA, which had learned about the incident in early June, held the news until a month later.
It's the same everywhere.by RadioGuy 7/11/2011 7:58:21 PM - @RadioGuy I note that the headline is 'Chinese' not US & Chinaby elainekirk 7/11/2011 8:06:20 PM
- @elainekirk Though the Xinhua newswire immediately blamed ConocoPhillips. The Chinese are not very forgiving of corporate negligence that harms Brand China. It'll be interesting to see the difference in how that plays out vs BP and USA.by RadioGuy 7/11/2011 8:10:16 PM
- We could see the heads of China National Offshore Oil Corporation roll.by RadioGuy 7/11/2011 8:11:15 PM
- Well...no...some underling VP probably.by RadioGuy 7/11/2011 8:12:04 PM
- @RadioGuy yes I think it was just the UK spin that resulted in the headline .
bbc did a report on the Japanese economy that blamed the tsunami and quake for loss of trade no mention of fukuby elainekirk 7/11/2011 8:19:52 PM - I've even wondered whether Greg Palast's silence on Fukusima being imposed... or, um... suggested.. by the BBC.by RadioGuy 7/11/2011 8:26:55 PM
- He's uncharacteristically quiet on this story of massive government/corporate collusion, after coming out with that one blistering piece on TEPCO and its US NPP plans. Then nothing.by RadioGuy 7/11/2011 8:29:52 PM
- @RadioGuy yup it is obvious there is a downplaying which makes it rather farcical that people are upin arms about news internationals behaviour it has been known for yrs about the phone patting.
People need to t=stop being reactive and start being proactiveby elainekirk 7/11/2011 8:50:56 PM - www.omaha.com
New flood wall: The Omaha Public Power District has installed a new barrier around its Fort Calhoun Nuclear Station and is now pumping out floodwaters from the Missouri River. OPPD installed the new 8-foot-tall, water-filled barrier around the plant to replace a similar one that failed two weeks ago after a worker inadvertently punctured it with a loader.by RadioGuy 7/11/2011 8:51:35 PM - @RadioGuy "of course they don't mention the army of sump pumps they were using to get water out of the buildings at Calhoun. Good they got the water dam back up, it will make it easier to keep the water out. They are far too dependent on that water dam they claim they don't need. It is going to be an uphill battle to get Cooper either fixed or shut down even with all of this. The plant is only 500MW. Not a lot of power for the risk it presents.
by lillymunster 9:14 AM"by Majj 7/11/2011 8:59:59 PM - Interesting story about Japan power use and existing capacity. Looking at this they could ditch all nukes and do fine by using a few saving techniques,
he full consequences of a sooner-than-expected shutdown of Japan’s nuclear plants are fiercely debated. Koya Miyamae, an economist at SMBC Nikko Securities, estimates that electricity supplies in western Japan – which relies on nuclear for a higher ratio of its power than the east – could fall 7 per cent short of demand next summer if all plants were turned off.
That would require households and businesses to save power, but on an achievable scale. In Tokyo, average daily peak consumption in recent weeks has been 10-20 per cent below the level of the same time last year, in spite of an unusually intense heat wave.
Critics of Japan’s nuclear lobby point to excess generating capacity and say bringing mothballed thermal plants back into service would make up for the loss of nuclear power. Atomic plants generated about 30 per cent of Japan’s electricity last year but account for only about a fifth of installed capacity.
Utilities have fuelled conspiracy theories by keeping some non-nuclear facilities, such as expensive “pumped storage” hydro power, out of their supply estimates. “They are just saying, ‘We need nuclear power’,” Toru Hashimoto, the anti-nuclear governor of Osaka, has said.
Naohiko Baba, chief Japan economist at Goldman Sachs, says the issue is more economic than technical. “If utilities maximised all their alternatives to nuclear power, starting with natural gas, there would be no power shortages.”
www.ft.comby lillymunster 7/11/2011 9:00:20 PM - @Majj I always thought it was amusing, anyway, that their fallback from protecting the nuclear power plant from flooding with sandbags was protecting the nuclear power plant from flooding with water bags. What's next? Protecting the nuclear power plant from flooding with gasbags?
No wait, that was first. ;)by RadioGuy 7/11/2011 9:05:24 PM - @RadioGuy Next is an indoor pool feature for the employees to cool off from the summer heat. :-)by lillymunster 7/11/2011 9:14:12 PM
- @lillymunster LOL :-))))))))))))))by Majj 7/11/2011 9:16:10 PM
- ...and on that laugh, I'm out. The puppy demands the park. (How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm after they've seen... )by RadioGuy 7/11/2011 9:19:50 PM
- Over the weekend Omaha Public Power District crews worked to install a replacement wall at the Fort Calhoun nuclear power plant near Omaha, Nebr. Thank goodness for the tireless efforts of the OPPD. The earlier wall, a water-filled aqua berm, was damaged and deflated two weeks ago allowing flood waters to creep closer to the nuclear power plant.
Although the previous wall failed due to an accidental run-in with a Bobcat loader, will the new aqua berm be able to hold back the steady flowing Missouri River flood waters? The new barrier stands 8 feet tall and should allow crews to pump flood waters away from the plant, according to an Omaha World-Herald report on July 11. Hopefully this structure survives the duration of the flood. news.gather.comby Majj 7/11/2011 9:31:41 PM 
hello to all.. I don't see a radiation ribbon hanging on the room...by dean 7/11/2011 9:44:58 PM- @dean ribbon?by elainekirk 7/11/2011 9:46:22 PM
- just kidding elaine.. when a radiation area is found they put up a ribbon barrier with special color coding to let people know what the hazard is..by dean 7/11/2011 9:47:21 PM
- @Dean we need to know what colors mean what so we can color coordinate. :-)by lillymunster 7/11/2011 9:49:40 PM
- Off twitter: Despite of opposing opinions, Agriculture Ministry decided to allow radioactive sewage sludge to be distributed as fertilizer material.by lillymunster 7/11/2011 9:50:09 PM
- @lillymunster ooo so it is true I actually saw a link- think it was asahi- but decided I was misreading the translation - false hope on my part thenby elainekirk 7/11/2011 9:52:46 PM
cool.
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- ha ha @ lilly... well.. let me see..do you want to be lower rad level or higher rad level.. hmmmmm... where I worked it was zone I II or III... 3 HOTTESTby dean 7/11/2011 10:06:24 PM
- @Panserbjorne9 frightening isnt it how easily it will move through the food chainby elainekirk 7/11/2011 10:08:17 PM
- @ lilly.. and elaine.. well you ladies could choose an outfit to complement magenta and yellow..by dean 7/11/2011 10:18:19 PM
- did I just see what I thought I saw on tbs?by elainekirk 7/11/2011 10:19:31 PM
@Elaine Back for a little. What did you see?by LM 7/11/2011 10:22:32 PM- a vertical light blast around 3 I thoughtby elainekirk 7/11/2011 10:28:09 PM
- @Elaine Hmm..I must have just missed it. I just see fog now..although I think it is starting to lift.by LM 7/11/2011 10:29:23 PM
- the light pole seems to be leaning more to me...by dean 7/11/2011 10:33:56 PM
- @LM yup it was just one of those moments when your stoach ties itself up in knots - they are starting the nitrogen injection in about 4hrsby elainekirk 7/11/2011 10:34:05 PM
- @Elaine Ahhhh. We'll have to keep our eyes peeled.by LM 7/11/2011 10:36:30 PM
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