
Daily news roundup on the group page for today.
www.simplyinfo.orgby lillymunster 7/11/2011 12:47:39 PM

@Bobby1 ?? Where does it say that? Maybe I need more coffee. :-)
by lillymunster 7/11/2011 12:48:48 PM

Added a short bit about the 4 month anniversary and a link to Bo's article at Japan Focus to the group website.
by lillymunster 7/11/2011 12:59:01 PM

@Bobby1 I got the query to work but it is returning dates only, no data, tried a beta rad search.
by lillymunster 7/11/2011 1:01:46 PM

#4 is steaming again
by lillymunster 7/11/2011 1:16:17 PM

back
by dean 7/11/2011 1:24:07 PM

@dean Hi Dean! I started a page to contain all of our links for the BWR research. Link in post below.
by lillymunster 7/11/2011 1:27:45 PM

sounds good lilly... I had to come to the office to catch up on some work for work.. whewwww.... this week I am hosting the TEAM RALEIGH from UK for racing here so it's going to be crazy from wednesday on.. and then we travel on to Bend Oregon for racing there...
by dean 7/11/2011 1:37:39 PM

lilly would you post the link again.. I was shutdown and dont' see it....
by dean 7/11/2011 1:38:12 PM

also.. lilly .. I've sent a couple of emails off to nuclear engineering groups for explanations on details of dresdens reactor containments...
by dean 7/11/2011 1:38:53 PM

@All, added a short post with images of the damage found to unit 4 after the quake over the weekend.
wp.me by lillymunster 7/11/2011 1:39:48 PM

@Dean - link to the documentation page:
wp.meWould be good to know more about Dresden. Some info this morning Dresden may have the building as containment like Cooper. Found a bit last night that Brunsick NPP may be the only steel+concrete containment bulb in the US.
by lillymunster 7/11/2011 1:41:58 PM

Be back in a few hours.
by lillymunster 7/11/2011 1:56:44 PM

NHK stories in today’s JAIF Earthquake Report: (Fukushima NPP Site) ●Long-term response needed for radioactive water ●TEPCO suspends decontamination system ●TEPCO: Quake caused no problems at nuclear plants (Other news) ●Govt to release views on restarting reactors ●Hosono: Nuclear plants need more safety tests ●Cattle farm inspected for radiation-tainted beef
by Markfm 7/11/2011 1:59:15 PM

High level contamination in reactor building found
www3.nhk.or.jp "the plant operator said robots have detected airborne cesium-134 inside the No.2 reactor building ranging from 40 to 65 times above the government's standard"
by Markfm 7/11/2011 2:07:15 PM

hi markfm.. nice seeing you
by dean 7/11/2011 2:08:31 PM

Busy in the summer. Wonder when they'll get the water decontamination system running cleanly -- it would be nice if they could start moving more water in, cool things down a bit more.
by Markfm 7/11/2011 2:10:54 PM

@Markfm hi Mark
by elainekirk 7/11/2011 2:14:53 PM

@dean
The r e a c tor bui lding of Uni t 1, whi ch was subj e c t ed both to for c ed vibr a t ion
t e s t s and na tur a l e a r thquake s i s about 58 m in he ight from the ba s e of the
founda t ion ma t , the depth of embedment of whi ch i s about 14 m below ground
l eve l (Fig. 1) . The bui lding cons i s t s of a r e infor c ed conc r e t e s t ruc tur e up
to a he ight of about 43 m from the ba s e , and a s t e e l s t ruc tur e and t rus s
roof above thi s l eve l . The r e infor c ed conc r e t e s t ruc tur e cons i s t s of s ix
f loor s , inc luding the basement f loor . The pl an dimens ions of the bui lding
a r e 42 m x 42 m a t lowe r s e c t ions , and 42 m x 31 m a t uppe r s e c t ions . The
bui lding i s s t ruc tur a l ly i sol a t ed f rom the adj a c ent turbine bui lding and
r adwa s t e bui lding. The r e a c tor pr e s sur e ve s s e l i s a t the c ent e r of the
bui lding, sur rounded suc c e s s ive ly by a conc r e t e gamma shi e ld wa l l , a bulbshaped s t e e l cont a inment ve s s e l , and a r e infor c ed conc r e t e shi e ld wa l l . The
r e a c tor pr e s sur e ve s s e l i s conne c t ed to the gamma shi e ld wa l l wi th
hor i zont a l suppor t s and the s t e e l cont a inment ve s s e l i s conne c t ed to the
gamma shi e ld wa l l by a s t abi l i z e r . The cont a inment v~ssel i s a l so conne c t ed
to the othe r r e infor c ed conc r e t e shi e ld wa l l wi th she a r lug
from an NRC paper
by elainekirk 7/11/2011 2:18:07 PM

@Markfm that below they don't call the concrete a containment then? I thought fuku had concrete containment?
by elainekirk 7/11/2011 2:19:40 PM


it is saying stell for the bulb ??
by elainekirk 7/11/2011 2:24:00 PM

I'm confused by the description.
by Markfm 7/11/2011 2:26:42 PM

@ elaine... I believe that once you get outside of the reactor pressure vessel.. the steel one.. it gets alittle hazy for people to understand the other so called containments or shielding structures
by dean 7/11/2011 2:31:04 PM

@Markfm @dean sorry forgot the link
www.nrc.govby elainekirk 7/11/2011 2:31:57 PM

like in the description.. the reactor pressure vessel is surrounded by the
cylindrical shield wall..
by dean 7/11/2011 2:33:30 PM

then .. there is the dry well.. which is the bulb they talk about,,, specifically designed to serve as another barrier or defense in depth from radiation leaking out from the reactor to the outside.... and that bulb is built strong enough to be leak tight... and inerted with nitrogen pressure
by dean 7/11/2011 2:37:54 PM

on the outside of the steel bulb, they then would put specially strong concrete for shielding for adjacent areas and for added strength to the bulb.
by dean 7/11/2011 2:39:12 PM

initially I believe they said.. ok.. at the top of the bulb we will have an interface with water so fuel can be taken up out of the core and transfered to the canal which had to be elevated to match the elevation of the top of the reactor to allow water shielding for the operators when they transfered fuel back and forth
by dean 7/11/2011 2:40:27 PM

then,,, they made a robust top head of the reactor vessel.. tuff enough to handle the pressures and accident required strength... and,,, they then tied that into a concrete cap which formed the upper part of the concrete shielding....
by dean 7/11/2011 2:41:24 PM

initially they probably thought that the steel bulb would handle accident conditions and be even better with the robust concrete shell around it and they ran like that until some of the more severe accident analysis results came in and then they said.. oops.. we have to do something...
by dean 7/11/2011 2:42:30 PM

@dean ooops indeed
by elainekirk 7/11/2011 2:43:13 PM

so that is when the US put that vent line to the outside of the building as a way to vent off HYDROGEN gas and let it explode outside the building instead of where it did at fuku
by dean 7/11/2011 2:43:38 PM

excellent pedro... it does help...
by dean 7/11/2011 2:44:16 PM

@dean and Japan 'asked' its energy comps if they would like to do the same but they decided not to ..
by elainekirk 7/11/2011 2:44:58 PM

@Pedro Jesus thanks pedro
by elainekirk 7/11/2011 2:45:08 PM