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by RadioGuy 7/23/2011 5:26:45 PM

interesting question Peter,, We should try a research on that one... so many factors involved in that.. I'd never thought of
by dean 7/23/2011 5:28:53 PM

@Majj If they can print an article like that then everything they write is suspect including the "likes".
Total and unadulterated BS.
by joniver 7/23/2011 5:29:01 PM

@Majj You don't even need to go that far, You can just set up an auto-refreshing load script to click it as fast as it can and reload. Then you go to bed.
by RadioGuy 7/23/2011 5:29:25 PM

@RadioGuy No, a hate button is good.
by joniver 7/23/2011 5:29:55 PM

@dean, This rate is re-assessed regularly as part of the reactor coolant system PRESSURE AND TEMPERATURE LIMITS REPORT or PTLR for short. Only I have not found a single example yet.
by Peter Melzer 7/23/2011 5:31:07 PM

@RadioGuy , FOX asked the wrong question. They should have asked: "After reading our enlightening article, would you welcome a Fukushima in your back yard?"
by Peter Melzer 7/23/2011 5:33:11 PM

in addition to embrittlement the irradiation causes buildup of He gas inside the metals which affect the heat transfer .... most reactor vessels have that limit due to damage that can be caused to the adjacent concrete.. with lower temperature limits to prevent damage..
by dean 7/23/2011 5:33:35 PM

Heck... all their money, they could offer to pay expenses for any who want to fly over so they can earn the big bucks cleaning up this completely safe mess.
by RadioGuy 7/23/2011 5:34:31 PM

looking at some information now Peter
by dean 7/23/2011 5:36:11 PM

I'd ask if people can possibly believe that, but I talked to a news-junkie friend and mentioned the contaminated cattle and he said: "yes, I heard about that. Did they ever find the other 5?"
by RadioGuy 7/23/2011 5:37:35 PM

That was yesterday!
by RadioGuy 7/23/2011 5:38:25 PM

The only story to gain enough traction here was the very first one, the original 11 cattle. Then the story was not followed, leaving the impression that this was a over-hyped danger... "5 cattle? If it were a real disaster, there would be more."
by RadioGuy 7/23/2011 5:41:05 PM

@RadioGuy LOL
by Majj 7/23/2011 5:41:26 PM

My reply: "Well yes, along with 1489 others...or so."
by RadioGuy 7/23/2011 5:44:19 PM

And now all real news ill stop while the press obsesses over Amy Winehouse's death as only an industry trying desperately to point away from the real news can.
by RadioGuy 7/23/2011 5:47:19 PM

@Majj the fbook like button plug in is very 'pliable' google are launching their + button using the fact that it is product/article/person specific as a selling point. a site can use that fbook button throughout its site have you checked the number against other articles?
by elainekirk 7/23/2011 5:49:27 PM

Though Norway probably has another day or two in it. And the Budget Kabuki Players are still dancing around the corpse of the world economy trying to keep the zombie alive for another quarterly statement.
by RadioGuy 7/23/2011 5:51:05 PM

@RadioGuy It won't surprise me if we find out those seeds from Fuku sunflowers go to the marketplace just like the cattle.
by joniver 7/23/2011 5:53:52 PM

www.volian.com checking this out Peter
by dean 7/23/2011 5:55:24 PM

@joniver Nope. Because the implied promise that, "if you do this for your country, your country will buy them and dispose of them for you" will probably only come AFTER they start turning up, and again, Japan will have to scramble around trying to recall them from markets everywhere, and again, after they've completely tainted confidence in another part of the Japanese 'brand'.
by RadioGuy 7/23/2011 5:57:37 PM

If they do not get ahead of this fastball they will go down watching in three.
by RadioGuy 7/23/2011 5:58:55 PM

@dean, great find! I am reading it, too.
by Peter Melzer 7/23/2011 6:00:53 PM

Nuclear agency: reactor restart months away

Japan's nuclear watchdog says it will take months to complete safety tests on the country's idled nuclear reactors. It says it is unlikely that any of the reactors will resume operating this summer.

The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency made the comment on Saturday, one day after it ordered power utilities to conduct stress tests in an attempt to ease public concern about the safety of nuclear power.

The tests use computer simulations to assess how well nuclear power plants can withstand emergencies such as earthquakes and tsunamis.

The agency said that it will take months for the utilities to report the results of the first phase of the 2-stage tests.

The first phase targets reactors that have been halted for regular safety checks. At least 22 nuclear reactors, about 40 percent of Japan's total, are subject to it.

Sunday, July 24, 2011 01:52 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp
by Edano 7/23/2011 6:11:17 PM

Govt. to implement measures outside Fukushima

Japan's minister in charge of the nuclear crisis says the government will consider implementing decontamination measures and health checks outside Fukushima Prefecture.

On Saturday, nuclear crisis minister Goshi Hosono visited the town of Marumori in Miyagi Prefecture, which borders Fukushima Prefecture.

He inspected an elementary school and livestock farms that were affected by radioactive contamination.

Hosono told reporters that he realized the nuclear accident is causing problems outside Fukushima Prefecture. He also said he will make sure that the government's policy is consistently applied across prefectural borders.

Saturday, July 23, 2011 22:04 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp
by Edano 7/23/2011 6:14:32 PM

the straw is from Myagi prefecture this time www.japantoday.com
by elainekirk 7/23/2011 6:14:34 PM

@dean did you see the tweets that ikrockhopper posted from the Fuku worker about what he suspects is the real timeline. What do you think? It seems far more realistic than TEPCO's.
by RadioGuy 7/23/2011 6:16:20 PM

I am not sure how to access them Radio.. any chance of posting here?
by dean 7/23/2011 6:19:06 PM

Here... elaine posted them overnight:
ikrockhopper has translated a workers tweets
The Fukushima worker's tweets this morning (He is off today), his opinions about 'the procedure step 1' on the TEPCO's plan
(cont) "I don't think that the step 1 was done because spent fuel cooling system is still a band-aid, & will stop when electricity is down,
(cont) "like yesterday, when the temperature of the pool goes up to >100C quickly. Until we built a stable coolant system and we take out...
(cont) "the spent fuel out of the pool, we cannot feel safe. Even if we can start taking out the spent fuel three years from now, ..
(cont) "it would take three more years to take all of the spent fuel out from the pool. Then, I think that it would be 10 years from now,
(cont) "when we finally start working on taking the mass of melted fuel from the reactors. In total, this procedure would take 15-20 years."
by RadioGuy 7/23/2011 6:19:48 PM

Radioguy.... TMI is some reference point for taking fuel out of the reactor.. who ever knows how to translate that to some educated guess on removal from fuku reactors and SFPs and.. the common pools and units 5 and 6 are not exempt at the moment.. YEARS..
by dean 7/23/2011 6:22:46 PM

peter.. I will have more. .but I need to go now.. will return
by dean 7/23/2011 6:22:59 PM

@all Good Morning...Good Evening...Hello!
by smoss 7/23/2011 6:23:13 PM

@smoss greetings you left a cryptic message earlier?
by elainekirk 7/23/2011 6:23:39 PM

back for a bit
by lillymunster 7/23/2011 6:26:58 PM

hi lilly.. @ Peter.. what I am looking for is a document that shows heatup and cooldown rate limits as compared to reactor vessel wall thinning or other factors like weld flaws etc.
by dean 7/23/2011 6:28:27 PM

@dean, thanks so much.
by Peter Melzer 7/23/2011 6:31:37 PM

Landscaping Rock: 1, Nancy: 1?
by RadioGuy 7/23/2011 6:33:44 PM

@RadioGuy bought a bag of landscape rock and wrecked my back tossing it into the car
by lillymunster 7/23/2011 6:34:59 PM

AH, that was the 1-0. I was hoping you won round 2.
by RadioGuy 7/23/2011 6:35:51 PM

@ Peter, I would think that the robust design of the RPV as compared to the thinner walled PCS would typically be able to handle higher cooldown rates and that the wall thinning over time would affect the pcs piping more. As for the reactor vessel, especially in the higher neutron flux regions adjacent to the core the irradiation induced affects would be the greatest irrespectful of heat up and cool down
by dean 7/23/2011 6:36:02 PM

@RadioGuy @RadioGuy after round one I decided to cut my losses. :-)
by lillymunster 7/23/2011 6:36:55 PM

@lillymunster Wise. It took me repeated lessons to finally learn that.
by RadioGuy 7/23/2011 6:41:01 PM

@Dean, not sure if these are helpful BWR overhaul document from IAEA www.houseoffoust.com Also one I think on embrittlement but it is in German. www.houseoffoust.com
by lillymunster 7/23/2011 6:44:00 PM

Index of the German document translated. I can translate sections of they look like they have potential Content
One reason for the advice 2
2 Overview of the discussions so far ............................................ ......................................... 3
2.1 Overview of the discussions so far in the RSK, as well as in the RSK-committee
LIGHT WATER REACTOR PLANT and EQUIPMENT AND SYSTEM .............................. 3
2.2 Report of Dr. Jahn to clarify the problem of danger to the
Containment by hydrogen explosion after core melt ........................................... .......... 5
3 Progress 6
4 Rating 6
4.1 Evaluation criteria and verification .............................................. .......................................... 6
4.2 answering the questions of the BMU ............................................ .................................................. ..... 7
4.3 Assessment of relevant aspects of individual .............................................. .................................................. . 14
4.3.1 Representativeness of the selected event flow sequences ........................................... ............... 14
4.3.2 Evaluation of the hydrogen concentration ............................................ ............................................ 16
4.3.3 Effectiveness ................. recombinator ignition and under probabilistic aspects 18
5 Summary 1
by lillymunster 7/23/2011 6:45:45 PM