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  • @Bobby1 : i doubt that.
    by Edano 7/24/2011 2:21:26 PM

  • @Peter Melzer I read something a while back where institutions were sending patients home very early when they used to keep them in the hospital. This was sending them out into public while they are still radioactive or shedding radiation. It seemed to be the same as other patients being sent home early, insurance companies don't want to pay for extra days in the hospital.
    by lillymunster 7/24/2011 2:24:35 PM

  • @Bobby1 , what needs checking is the limits that such hospitals are allowed to apply. It may be totally legal to release x microCuries of a certain radionuclide into Philly's sewer system.
    by Peter Melzer 7/24/2011 2:27:32 PM

  • @Peter Melzer : normally these clinics have large wastewater tanks.
    by Edano 7/24/2011 2:28:32 PM

  • @lillymunster , thanks to savings in the healthcare business, such patients get caught at the airport trying to board a plane home, ;)
    by Peter Melzer 7/24/2011 2:29:13 PM

  • @Edano , yes, and where I worked they would just store the waste until the radioactivity decayed. Recall that nuclear medicine uses short-lived radionuclides that decay in reasonable time.
    by Peter Melzer 7/24/2011 2:31:37 PM

  • @you ... for diagnostic purposes mainly.
    by Peter Melzer 7/24/2011 2:33:02 PM

  • @Peter Melzer : i don't work with radionuklides, but still i have a decontamination room in the basement for wastewater and have to pay yearly fees. there are inspections every 5 years and you have to self-inspect it half-yearly.
    by Edano 7/24/2011 2:34:11 PM

  • they say they want to obligate all clinics to work with tanks of fresh and waste water in the future. now this will be fun for little clinics ... :) hopefully i will be retired by then.
    by Edano 7/24/2011 2:36:13 PM

  • @Edano , yes, we even had a small sewage treatment plant attached to the storage tanks that would take care of the rest. Nothing was released unmonitored.
    But like I said, in a neglected teaching hospital in Philly teetering on the verge of bankruptcy, it is possible that leaks went undiscovered.
    by Peter Melzer 7/24/2011 2:41:28 PM

  • @Peter Melzer of course, if you want it, you always can release the soup. i could easily install a short-circuit to my system...
    by Edano 7/24/2011 2:44:52 PM

  • Per Peter's suggestion this could be the hospital. If they had an isolated wastewater system in place and it needed replacing I could see someone deciding to stop using it quietly rather than replacing it.
    by lillymunster 7/24/2011 2:48:11 PM

  • i can hardly estimate the impact on the environment. depending on the size of the clinic, ..... hmmmm.
    by Edano 7/24/2011 2:49:02 PM

  • Hi @all Does anyone have a working JNN/TBS cam link?
    by es 7/24/2011 2:50:39 PM

  • @Edano , I do not even surmise the hospital released radioactivity intentionally.
    by Peter Melzer 7/24/2011 2:51:22 PM

  • Let us not forget, mine is speculation. But these are the places where I'd check, if I were the city of Philly.
    by Peter Melzer 7/24/2011 2:53:47 PM

  • i would suspect illegal professional disposal.
    by Edano 7/24/2011 2:56:45 PM

  • false declarations ...
    by Edano 7/24/2011 2:57:11 PM

  • dumping barrels in the night, maybe some time ago ...
    by Edano 7/24/2011 2:58:07 PM

  • "barrels in the night, exchanging glances..."
    by Pedro Jesus 7/24/2011 3:04:04 PM

  • France->Savannah->Los Alamos "Ship carrying nuclear cargo slips in, out of port" savannahnow.com
    by Diane_NJ 7/24/2011 3:10:01 PM

  • www.world-nuclear.org information article on nuclear medicine
    by dean 7/24/2011 3:14:10 PM

  • very interesting topic... pharmaceutical waste streams, controls of international shipments of isotopes.. etc.. a study all in itself
    by dean 7/24/2011 3:17:19 PM

  • @dean Thanks, Dean - very interesting article and website
    by Diane_NJ 7/24/2011 3:29:12 PM

  • yw Diane
    by dean 7/24/2011 3:39:36 PM

  • @ Pedro.. I think you just came up with the waste song
    by dean 7/24/2011 3:39:55 PM

  • @Pedro Jesus I will have your tune stuck in my head all day. :-)
    by lillymunster 7/24/2011 3:45:28 PM

  • en.wikipedia.org @ all.. During the first 40 years that nuclear waste was being created in the United States, no legislation was enacted to manage its disposal.
    by dean 7/24/2011 3:47:35 PM

  • @ES, go to this link, look for the 1 live event they have going, that will always be the current TBS cam stream. www.youtube.com


    BTW, my solar cell phone charger showed up yesterday. So far it seemed to work well.
    by lillymunster 7/24/2011 3:47:48 PM

  • @dean, the ignorance with which folks confronted these issue in the forties is breathtaking. Think of the superfund cleanup sites! A saw huge tracks of land fenced off around Oak Ridge with yellow warning signs on the fences. Unbelievable!
    by Peter Melzer 7/24/2011 3:50:48 PM

  • QuakeAlert
    DATE : 07/24/2011 17:07:10
    TIME : 16 minutes ago
    REG. : near the east coast of Honshu, Japan
    MAG. : 5.1
    DEP. : 49.8 km
    ID : 124495
    quakes.globalincidentmap.com
    by Edano 7/24/2011 3:51:56 PM

  • @ peter, I will say that in the very earliest days the knowledge base for waste handling was at it's infancy, the instrumentation to detect was less sensitive, in the day they either thought they would take care of it later or were ignormant as you say as to the affects
    by dean 7/24/2011 3:54:05 PM

  • but.. unfortunately that's the way it's been for much of industrial waste, like the
    chemical companies etc...and phosphate facilities with the sludge etc.
    by dean 7/24/2011 3:55:27 PM

  • ah, now a full article


    U.S., Japan to jointly study new technology to decontaminate large areas

    TOKYO, July 24, Kyodo

    The United States and Japan will work together in researching new technology to remove radioactive materials from large areas around the crisis-hit Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, a visiting senior U.S. official said Sunday.

    As thousands of square kilometers require decontamination before evacuated people can return home, an ''extremely expensive'' task, research is needed to do so efficiently, effectively and economically, John Holdren, assistant to the president for science and technology, said in an interview with Kyodo News.

    Holdren, who visited the Tokyo Electric Power Co. plant on Saturday, the highest U.S. official to have done so since the crisis erupted in March, said he discussed the matter as ''one of the areas of further cooperative research'' with Japanese officials during his visit to the country.
    english.kyodonews.jp
    by Edano 7/24/2011 3:56:18 PM

  • @dean , we were told that they were experimenting with dispersal of dry waste on the land. Unfortunately, whatever it was is still there, :(
    by Peter Melzer 7/24/2011 3:57:04 PM

  • The creepy thing is the landscape looks pristine.
    by Peter Melzer 7/24/2011 3:59:01 PM

  • @Peter Melzer I suppose that is where they discover which plants can survive would be interesting to know if npp's landscape with known absorbers
    by elainekirk 7/24/2011 4:06:20 PM

  • @ Peter,,, arms race, biological warfare etc, government nuclear research and production added so much waste and the timeline schedule dictated just temp storage, wait until later mentality. I know from my career experience that back in the day there were requirements etc. and many thought they were doing the right things with burial sites etc. but they weren't so much on low, med hi waste, transuranics etc,,, liquid wastes... then after the end of the arms race and the facilities no longer needed.. they had a huge mess on their hands which exists today
    by dean 7/24/2011 4:07:54 PM

  • @elainekirk , no kidding. many ecological studies have been conducted in the streams around the facilities, e.g. Bear Creek. Today, the concern is mainly directed towards the recovery of mercury, of which tons are deposited under some facilities there. Here is an informative overview: www.atsdr.cdc.gov
    by Peter Melzer 7/24/2011 4:17:52 PM

  • Sunday news roundup done www.simplyinfo.org
    Tweeted
    by lillymunster edited by elainekirk 7/24/2011 4:20:16 PM

  • back in a bit
    by dean 7/24/2011 4:23:15 PM

  • @lillymunster tweeted @Peter maybe plotting waste sites on a map would make it more 'real' for people . In fact all sites with radiation
    by elainekirk 7/24/2011 4:23:33 PM

  • @lillymunster sampling by thawk
    22nd #2
    23rd #3
    24th (today) #1
    www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 7/24/2011 4:26:46 PM

  • @elainekirk, actually, where I worked was an appendix to a large chemical conglomerate. The main plant site was more than century old. In that time, the company collected plenty experience with hardy plants. As a result you cruised through an avenue of green on entry of the plant. SO everything looked dandy. Why complain about pollution! ;)
    @Lilly, not simple because the National Lab sites are pretty much off-limits.
    by Peter Melzer 7/24/2011 4:30:16 PM

  • @Peter Melzer I did wonder with tepco having greenery whilst those who were taken to their homes for gathering few possesions describe a wilderness
    by elainekirk 7/24/2011 4:47:19 PM

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