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@Edano you have a point there the London gov act on eu orders so yeah the eu
by elainekirk 7/30/2011 2:13:12 PM

When you read the NYT article, you must come to the conclusion that a lot of money is wasted on this type of highly assumptive exploit. In essence, all bets are up when an actual accident happens.
by Peter Melzer 7/30/2011 2:19:23 PM

i can still vote the green party here in europe, i cannot do that in US or japan.
by Edano 7/30/2011 2:19:42 PM

i could even vote for communists, if i really wanted.
by Edano 7/30/2011 2:21:14 PM

@Edano , Ralph Nader turned out to be a disaster for the Dems. Perhaps, a tea party strategy would have worked better in this respect.
by Peter Melzer 7/30/2011 2:22:11 PM

the tea party is really incredible, so ridiculous.
by Edano 7/30/2011 2:24:47 PM

too bad that al gore stepped back from politics.
by Edano 7/30/2011 2:25:32 PM

@Peter Melzer The Tea Party wasn't a real grass roots movement. It was a scam funded by a couple of deep pocket corporate interests. Freedom Works and Americans For Prosperity funded the bulk of the Tea Party activities and they actually started the whole thing. Both of those groups are fronts for big corporate interests including Koch Ind. who want US govt. activities given over to the private sector because they see that as the new profit center for them to make a quick buck at.
by lillymunster 7/30/2011 2:25:55 PM

@Edano Find low information uneducated masses that are easy to rile up and manipulate and get them to do your bidding. Kind of an old political trick in the US.
by lillymunster 7/30/2011 2:26:51 PM

(98) The international organisations of the United Nations system utilise the recommendations of ICRP when producing their Basic Safety Standards for radiation
protection (IAEA, 1996). The recommendations and advice of ICRP also inﬂuence
documents on speciﬁc issues produced by specialised United Nations agencies, such
as ILO, WHO, FAO, and IAEA. The Pan-American Health Organization, the
European Commission, and the Nuclear Energy Agency of the Organisation for
Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) can be regarded as regional
organisations (with OECD an economic region rather than a geographic region);
they all take account of ICRP advice when producing documents pertaining to
radiological protection. The International Electrotechnical Commission and ISO
take ICRP advice into account when producing standards.
(99) Thus, neither the idea of a hierarchy of national and international committees
and commissions (cf. Section 1.4.2) nor Rolf Sievert’s vision of ICRP as a central
intergovernmental international agency was implemented. However, with hindsight,
the current system seems quite adequate. With UNSCEAR providing scientiﬁc summaries of levels and eﬀects of radiation, ICRP providing policy recommendations,
and the various intergovernmental agencies with an interest in radiological protection proposing regulations, purely scientiﬁc factors, political factors, and stakeholder
demands are all given their due consideration but at separate and clearly identiﬁable
stages
by elainekirk 7/30/2011 2:28:23 PM

the silent giant in the background...
by Edano 7/30/2011 2:32:02 PM

clever isn't it they can get 'independent' input from icrp to legitamise their decisions the fact they 'commissioned' the input via grants is neither here nor there is it ?
by elainekirk 7/30/2011 2:38:31 PM

I noted that language and accuracy of the English tepco releases are consistently lousy. First I wanted to give them some slack. Foremost, Tepco works for Japan. In the meantime, I have come to believe that even Japanese may not be able to make sense of the releases. Take Elaine's find the other day as example: www.tepco.co.jp . It upset me so much, I added a brief take on it at the bottom of my post: brainmindinst.blogspot.com . First, unless you are really following the technical developments, you do not understand the thrust of this document at all. Second, RCIC turns into RICI. Other acronyms are not explained. The figure legends are scant, to say the least. Who is going to take the time to figure this one out? A company like tepco could take better care, if they really wished to.
by Peter Melzer 7/30/2011 2:38:31 PM

Rockhopper mentioned last night that the Diet has its share of drama and crying politicians. Reminds me of Congress.
by lillymunster 7/30/2011 2:39:00 PM

@lillymunster , I only meant to say had Nader tried his luck within the Democratic Party, we might all be better of today, :)
by Peter Melzer 7/30/2011 2:40:01 PM

@Peter Melzer Peter don't miss the obvious and that is the english language docs are the ones fed to the iaea via nisa/meti
by elainekirk 7/30/2011 2:40:04 PM

@Peter Melzer I think they are mandated by some rules or law to release certain information. So the bare minimum is to release the information. They don't have to make it understandable. :-)
by lillymunster 7/30/2011 2:40:15 PM

@Peter Melzer The two party system is a hindrance to change in the US. It forces everyone to play into the two systems to get anywhere and the two parties are heavily influenced by corporate money.
by lillymunster 7/30/2011 2:41:24 PM

@lillymunster exactly. but this will never change.
by Edano 7/30/2011 2:42:28 PM

@lillymunster , yup, but the US have different traditions, based on different ideas. For example in Germany, and I suppose in most European democracies, it is impossible to govern without a majority in parliament. Americans love the antagonism between administration and Congress. Plus, majorities in the House can change twice as fast as in Europe. A third party has been tried before in the US to no avail. Hence, the idea to build a voice in an existing party. Unfortunately, the extremists on right are succeeding at present.
by Peter Melzer 7/30/2011 2:51:04 PM

@Peter Melzer the far right tea party types are on borrowed time. Their corporate funding for the tea party has dried up. Voters who actually voted for them are increasingly not happy or feel like what they are doing isn't what they said during campaigns. The idea that a handful of extremists can do anything more than create gridlock is pretty much dead. The debt ceiling mess is illustrating that the ideas of the tea party are counter productive to improving anything. I think most of the new representatives will be one term.
by lillymunster 7/30/2011 2:55:09 PM

@lillymunster , let us hope so.
by Peter Melzer 7/30/2011 2:57:29 PM

@Peter Melzer @lillymunster do you think the tea party will really drive the US against the wall next week ?
by Edano 7/30/2011 2:58:57 PM

@Edano yep. More ignorant screaming right up to the deadline. The Obama will invoke whatever the clause is where he can raise the debt ceiling without Congress. Rep. Michele Bachman (tea party) was blithering on the radio how she doesn't think refusal to raise the debt ceiling will have any negative consequences at all. She has absolutely no idea what she is doing.
by lillymunster 7/30/2011 3:02:15 PM

crazy.
by Edano 7/30/2011 3:03:39 PM

BTW, estimates of actual tea party type voters is anywhere between 1-25% of voters (not total population). Lots who voted that way won't vote that way again. I would guess it is less than 10% of the population that actually has that mindset, possibly 1% that are rabid and deeply believe the idea.
by lillymunster 7/30/2011 3:04:03 PM

We have lots of the media creating the stories in the US rather than reporting them. The nuclear issue is another example.
by lillymunster 7/30/2011 3:06:47 PM

if they go on like this, the chinese will buy the US some day ;)
by Edano 7/30/2011 3:07:07 PM

@Edano , they will kick the can a little further down the road, and postpone this discomfiting decision about imposing a debt limit.
by Peter Melzer 7/30/2011 3:07:09 PM

@Edano , worse they switch to Swiss Franks.
by Peter Melzer 7/30/2011 3:07:34 PM

@Peter Melzer obama cannot accept postponing it.
by Edano 7/30/2011 3:09:18 PM

Levels of cesium still leaking out of 3 in run off water. www3.nhk.or.jp
by lillymunster 7/30/2011 3:11:32 PM

@lillymunster , voter participation is also a big difference. In Germany, roughly 70 percent (edano correct me if I am wrong) participate in national elections. In the US participation hovers around 50 percent. This opens plenty good prospect for fringe activists.
by Peter Melzer 7/30/2011 3:11:36 PM

@Edano , they are talking about six months.
by Peter Melzer 7/30/2011 3:13:14 PM

@lillymunster , I believe that the heavy rains at present will lead to greater agri produce contamination in coming months. Have we found food contamination reports from independent stations yet?
by Peter Melzer 7/30/2011 3:16:34 PM

leaking water: www9.nhk.or.jp
history: www9.nhk.or.jp
by Edano 7/30/2011 3:16:43 PM

@Peter Melzer CIIRad has some independent testing www.crms-jpn.com and the prefecture based testing done by various entities yasaikensa.cloudapp.net
by lillymunster 7/30/2011 3:20:00 PM

there is a plant status here with water levels www.tepco.co.jp
by elainekirk 7/30/2011 3:25:28 PM

@lillymunster , I checked out the crms site. Indeed there are measurements. We must tell them to count longer.
by Peter Melzer 7/30/2011 3:27:58 PM

for those who havent seen them
doc on the work to prop up #4 sfp www.tepco.co.jp
results of air sampling in #1 primary containment www.tepco.co.jp
by elainekirk 7/30/2011 3:28:11 PM

@Peter Melzer count longer?
by lillymunster 7/30/2011 3:50:29 PM

@lillymunster , their counting errors are very large at times. Hence they must collect more counts from the sample.
by Peter Melzer 7/30/2011 4:01:08 PM

@Peter Melzer I think CIIRAD has an email contact. Maybe send them a note?
by lillymunster 7/30/2011 4:02:04 PM

@lillymunster , oh, you don't have a contact associated with them. I see what I find.
by Peter Melzer 7/30/2011 4:10:05 PM

@All hi, I was just reading some of those rainfall totals, insane figures, @Edano's news post mentions 700mm in 72hrs, in most instances the predominant rainfall toatls are over 48 hrs.... eg 618mm at Tadami-machi. rank 1 for 48hrs @ 0300 UTC(1200 JMA). The upside....if there is one? Is that it fell mainly on the western coast and foot hills not on the eastern side with Fukushima npp, which I must say is very lucky for TEPCO!(Link: agora.ex.nii.ac.jp ). The future forecast is not looking so bad, typhoon Muifa is expected to cross into mainland China, only a few models still lying eastward over southern Japan and the Korean peninsula, consensus continues moving westward as the steering ridge to the east of the system intensifys. Rainfall totals for China will be bad though, some models indicate a small rain event(upper level trough/low) moving over northern Japan(100 hours+) possibly bringing some heavy rain to the areas around Fukushima but consensus dosen't indicate this, some models also indicate a second smaller system forming behind Muifa, the likelyhood of this happening is very low and should the forecast strengthening of the steering ridge continue the system would also be very unlikely to affect Japan despite the models indicating the development also indicating this scenario. Off the weather....reading the politcal comments earlier almost made me happy with mine.... Independents and a Green hold balance of power in the lower house and The Greens hold balance of power in the Senate! It sounds better than it is :-( .....Sorry for the long post too!
by Thunder 7/30/2011 4:44:29 PM