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@Peter Melzer I worry the tents will be like the water treatment system where they are figuring it out on the fly and someone didn't figure how to change the filtration system.
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 2:11:45 PM

News roundup done
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 2:27:48 PM

@lillymunster , I found a treasure trove on Hanford environmental radiation monitoring: www.doh.wa.gov .
by Peter Melzer 8/9/2011 2:37:56 PM

@lillymunster , they must have figured out a way to store the used water filtration sludge, ;)
by Peter Melzer 8/9/2011 2:40:36 PM

@Peter Melzer The water filtration sludge gets removed as a media filter and put in one of those lined dumpster boxes.

Those Hanford links look great! Should be able to dig something out of that.
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 2:43:20 PM

@lillymunster , look at this section in particular: www.doh.wa.gov . Perhaps the explanations help people in Japan.
by Peter Melzer 8/9/2011 2:46:50 PM

That should be useful. Anything related to the various airborne releases and the impact on the population of the area or on agriculture would be a priority. Bo mentioned last night that Hanford had multiple air releases, not just the Green Run.
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 2:50:33 PM

Here is a link to the The Hanford Thyroid Disease Study : www.cdc.gov
by Peter Melzer 8/9/2011 2:51:14 PM

Wow, your the man! :-) I think you get today's research cookie. :-)
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 2:54:21 PM

From the wiki entry on Hanford Nuclear site. "Some of this land has been returned to private use and is now covered with orchards and irrigated fields."

Orchards? Who thought that was a good idea!!
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 2:54:54 PM

Grrr..... Anger right here over withholding nuclear data, actually. Shouldn't we be a week out from the EPA doing another series of air/water/food testing? Didn't they say 3 months? Guess what, guys... it's been three months, and here you were just holding on hoping it would all be over by now and these reports would be all clean and you could say "See, there was nothing to worry about." But nooo... the magic shower-curtain is not finished yet, and those pesky Japanese haven't solved their vitually insoluble problem yet and now what? If they test, they have two choices: falsify the results, or admit they should have been monitoring all along. So sorry. Deep regret. And what's their lame excuse? "He said that they were not disclosed because they were incomplete and inaccurate". Oh right. We knew the plume was going right over that town, but since we didn't have any absolute numbers on what was being released, we decided to err on the side of safety. Corporate safety. For TEPCO. grrr......
by RadioGuy 8/9/2011 3:05:46 PM

I bet the EPA excuse would be the same: "How could anyone have suspected it was so bad?"

Uh... YOUR OWN DAMNED READINGS BEFORE YOU INEXPLICABLY QUIT TAKING THEM PERHAPS??!!!!!
by RadioGuy 8/9/2011 3:09:53 PM

Funny... extend and pretend doesn't woek all that well when what you're pretending about will outlive you.
by RadioGuy 8/9/2011 3:10:57 PM

Hmm. Yea EPA data should be out. Do we start with emails and escalate up to complaining to Congress and the media if they don't release something soon?
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 3:14:14 PM

The CDC study looks like a treasure trove of information. Off to take the daughter to district wide school registration day, wish me luck! :-)
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 3:21:08 PM

it would be interesting to find the attachments to this
docs.google.com
by elainekirk 8/9/2011 3:22:44 PM

Good luck Lilly! Go registration!
by ariadne 8/9/2011 3:26:20 PM

@lillymunster good luck @Lilly
by elainekirk 8/9/2011 3:37:13 PM

That Yahoo story is particularly galling. They had the system (SPEEDI); they'd tested it extensively; Kan was even involved in one of the tests last year, but never thought of SPEEDI as he was hearing the plant was exploding.
by RadioGuy 8/9/2011 3:48:18 PM

So SPEEDI was only just so GoJ can give the Japanese people the illusion of nuclear safety until they're pretty certainly not safe, and then you stop using it because it would cause panic if this system you've taught people to believe will keep them safe says they're not? That makes all kinds of sense.
by RadioGuy 8/9/2011 3:53:25 PM

OK... puppy demands walking.
by RadioGuy 8/9/2011 3:56:13 PM

@RadioGuy you still here
by elainekirk 8/9/2011 3:57:55 PM

@RadioGuy is this any good www.epa.gov
by elainekirk 8/9/2011 3:58:20 PM

epa study that could be useful to the Japanese people re decontamination www.epa.gov
by elainekirk 8/9/2011 4:12:48 PM

@RadioGuy that would be the sum of it. The NYT story where certain people flatly admitted it was to avoid evacuation costs and PR for the nuclear industry is more honestly than I ever thought I would see
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 4:32:38 PM

Contaminated seafood and government cover-up at Fukushima. Our team of radiation experts has found high levels of radiation in seafood caught by Japanese fishermen off the coast of Japan. This, along with the news that the Japanese government covered up the true extent of radiation releases from Fukushima and so put people in danger, shows it is long past time that urgent, transparent action was taken by officials.
At a press conference in Japan earlier today (video here and here), we explained how our radiation experts had visited ports in Iwaki prefecture between 22nd and 24th of July and conducted sampling of seafood with the help from local fishermen. The French laboratories ACRO and CRIIRAD analysed the radioactive contamination and detected high levels of radioactivity in a number of samples. This means that the contamination of the Fukushima coast is still very serious. www.greenpeace.org
by Majj 8/9/2011 4:38:44 PM

can anybody find or can @bo or somebody get the ap story in the Japanese media ? news.yahoo.com
by elainekirk 8/9/2011 4:44:10 PM

I could try sending them to one of my media contacts that might be open to the info. Tweeting the yahoo and the NYT stories might help.
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 4:51:59 PM

@lillymunster Yeah rockhopper has been looking but cant find it so I assume between the 2 of you it will be everywhere by dawn lol :) will you let rockhopper know I will butt out :) gotta clean
by elainekirk 8/9/2011 4:53:54 PM

Seawall operated by tsunami
Hitachi Zosen Corp. shows to reporters in Sakai, Osaka Prefecture, on Aug. 9, 2011, a seawater barrier that automatically rises from the ground or seabed using the buoyant force of tidal waves. The Japanese heavy machinery and engineering firm said it has started to accept orders for the seawater barrier it has developed. (Kyodo) english.kyodonews.jp
by Edano via English.kyodonews.jp 8/9/2011 5:12:07 PM

Tweeted and sent links to rockhopper and one of my media sources.
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 5:14:43 PM

If these 3 stories do not show up in JP media tonight my time. I will put translations on our site and we can start pushing those. I think this may be a big deal if the JP media isn't going to pick it up along with how brutally honest those govt. officials were in the NYT article.
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 5:18:00 PM

Asahi Shimbun mentions the NYT article but doesn't quote some of the more damning comments by officials www.asahi.com
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 5:31:37 PM

no results for google news search of 秀則荒川 = Hidenori Arakawa ....
by Edano 8/9/2011 5:43:38 PM

Radiation leak in Indian nuclear power plant - Kakrapar
Yet again, poor temporary workers have been exposed to radiation working in a nuclear power plant, this time in India. And yet again the nuclear power plant tried to cover it up. It was only when the exposed workers went to the District Collector that the matter became public knowledge.

Officials of the Kakrapar atomic power station (KAPS) confirmed on Monday that four contract workers were exposed to nuclear radiation in the plant on May 30, 2011 due to human error of the control room staff. However, they said that the radiation was of a very minor level and that it had no effect on the health of the workers.
The four daily-wage labourers were exposed to radiation when they were cleaning and painting a tunnel called the Spent Fuel Transfer Duct (SFTD). The control room released a pair of spent fuel bundles in the duct while the labourers were in it. According to Dutta, "The workers came out when realized that something was amiss as their thermo luminiscence detectors started glowing.''

Dutta said that a team of the Atomic Energy Regulatory Board visited KAPS on June 1 to inquire about the accident and make an inspection. However, the matter became public knowledge only when the four workers petitioned the Tapi district collector last week, saying that they wanted permanent jobs as compensation for suffering nuclear radiation.
More: stopoldbury.blogspot.com
by joniver 8/9/2011 6:00:38 PM

Wow. Refueling seems to be treated as a major process with lots of safety at least in the US and Japan info I have read so far. Just chucking some spent fuel down a tunnel?
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 6:12:01 PM

@lillymunster Wow is right! Yeah and the only compensation they want are permanent jobs...geesh.
by joniver 8/9/2011 6:16:14 PM

iangoddard.com

Possible flow paths of cesium / corium-vapor residue to the highest-dose accumulation point. But stalagmitic formation I refer to slow water-flow driven stalagmite formation ( en.wikipedia.org ).

Notice there's both insulation and tape wrapped around the feed-in pipes, and that the reddish stains flow out from under the taped insulation. So it's likely that this insulation is soaked with the residue and acts as a flow-path to the high-dose spot.

Also notice that there's an independent stain-flow stream at the feed-in-pipe seam that would also lead to the accumulation point where both flow-paths would converge.

This might suggest a slow rate of accumulation versus a sudden splatter-out event. Perhaps the bits of splatter in other spots is just were water drips frequently (the place is bathed almost daily in mists for hours, which would promote slow-flowing water films and dripping). Or perhaps there was a singular residue-splattering event followed by addition slow-flow accumulation.
by Ian via Iangoddard 8/9/2011 6:20:21 PM

Gundersen helps group try to block Bellafonte nuclear project www.prnewswire.com
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 6:20:49 PM

@joniver It sounds like something out of a comedy sketch. They had to have gotten decent doses. If that reactor is similar to other designs I have seen, the chute is how they route the fuel down to the SFP from the reactor. If that is the case here it would mean it was fresh fuel.
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 6:22:36 PM

If anyone has academic or work access to Oxford Journals I need a copy of the entire article. rpd.oxfordjournals.org
It is animal radiation experiments at Hanford. I don't have academic access anymore. :-(
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 6:36:35 PM

@lillymunster Poor guys, their dosimeters were glowing they must have gotten a helluva dose.
by joniver 8/9/2011 6:37:01 PM

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by joniver 8/9/2011 6:39:53 PM