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Now they are less than in the begginig and I can hear thuders. Thos flashes are lightnings.by DT 8/8/2011 11:13:22 AM
@DT here is a coastal miyagi webcam for comparing www.e-tohoku.jp
and this links to webcams around Japan livejapan.orgby elainekirk 8/8/2011 11:15:32 AM- @Edano how did you get the kyodo report ?by elainekirk 8/8/2011 11:21:44 AM
morning all! (afternoon - evening). Looking at articles posted this morning. Didn't they just release an article admitting how many workers had gotten certain doses? The workers have also been talking about so many people being close to their max doses and having to no longer work soon.
The #3 melted through. Didn't TEPCO admit all 3 melted through a few months ago?by lillymunster 8/8/2011 11:53:11 AM
Good morning all, found a diagram that shows the sources of the major inputs into the vent stack of a BWR: i1214.photobucket.com . I captured the diagram here: bit.ly .
by Peter Melzer via I1214.photobucket 8/8/2011 12:02:57 PM- @Peter Melzer @lillymunster they are talking about a second melting of the fuel edano says it fits with what we have , great find @Peterby elainekirk 8/8/2011 12:07:32 PM
33 microsieverts per hour detected in drain of kindergarten - Minami-Soma . www.nukene.wsby Majj 8/8/2011 12:10:21 PM
good morning to all... @ Peter.. you notice the delay line prior to going to the stack. That conceivably could be the hottest internal piping outside the reactorby dean 8/8/2011 12:10:26 PM- most delay lines are very long lines to let isotopes decay and plate out in the piping prior to going up the stackby dean 8/8/2011 12:14:22 PM
This paper has a schematic of the Emergency Gas Treatment System associated with the stack : www.ansn-elibrary.orgby Ian 8/8/2011 12:14:42 PM- page 24by Ian 8/8/2011 12:16:07 PM
by Ian via Gyldengrisgaard.dk 8/8/2011 12:16:45 PM- will be back.. traveling to work ..by dean 8/8/2011 12:21:53 PM
- @Majj that is terrible / ou for awhile daughter dragging me to retail outlets eeeekby elainekirk 8/8/2011 12:22:09 PM
- back in a bit, have to drive the hubby to workby lillymunster 8/8/2011 12:29:45 PM
@lillymunster it's true, this tanabe did not find anything new. only the timeline is new and his theory fits very well to the data collected. it is still the question why tepco keeps on cooling the remains of the rpv while the core is long down on earth. i think because they are not sure.by Edano 8/8/2011 1:17:47 PM- After Fukushima, Japan's 'authority myth' is crumbling
Ordinary people in Japan are starting to wonder whether to trust what politicians and the media tell them.
Several weeks after the Japanese tsunami, I asked an acquaintance in the country whether the electricity shortfall resulting from the Fukushima crisis would affect his lifestyle choices. "Not at all," he said breezily. "Osaka's on a totally different grid from eastern Japan. Even if we saved electricity, we couldn't send the surplus to Tokyo. So it's not really my problem." www.guardian.co.ukby Majj 8/8/2011 1:19:14 PM - Do I Dare to Eat a Peach? Fukushima Citizens and Farmers Struggle with Food Safety
Call it slipper security. To get clearance into the food radiation testing center at Fukushima Agricultural Technology Center, you have to change shoes three times. The first time, you get a black pair. The second time, after your heels are scanned by a Geiger counter and deemed radiation-free, you change into a pair of plastic house shoes emblazoned with a yellow nuclear symbol. And finally, before entering the testing lab itself, the indoor footwear urgency rating is kicked up a notch with a red nuclear label.
ecocentric.blogs.time.comby Majj 8/8/2011 1:24:56 PM - @Edano, this also seems to match with the loss of pressure on the 21st. If the RPV was starting to fail it would have lost pressure. There are also lots of pics of smoke coming out of the reactor well around the 21-26 of Marchby lillymunster 8/8/2011 1:41:48 PM
- Japan festival season, somber undercurrent www.usatoday.com
Nagasaki Mayor do away with myth, face reality mdn.mainichi.jpby lillymunster 8/8/2011 2:04:07 PM - water treatment stops for 7.5 hours nobody knows why mdn.mainichi.jpby lillymunster 8/8/2011 2:06:22 PM
- @all I'm flowing the "Alaska Orange Goo" news but noting news just a serie of articles telling the tale and that they are waiting for the lab results......by Majj 8/8/2011 2:32:44 PM
- Cool, I am really interested to find out what it is. Have they noted any wildlife or fish impact with it?by lillymunster 8/8/2011 2:44:19 PM
- Daily news roundup done. www.simplyinfo.orgby lillymunster 8/8/2011 2:44:39 PM
- backby dean 8/8/2011 3:15:38 PM
- haven
Trading in rice futures in Tokyo is suspended as price surges over radiation concerns - Bloomberg bloom.bgby knaut 8/8/2011 3:20:39 PM - sorry knaut, your unstuck now.by lillymunster 8/8/2011 3:20:53 PM
- Dean, going to try to write up something on the high rad readings info. Will post it for peer review when I get it done. Anything about that whole issue you think are key points to cover?by lillymunster 8/8/2011 3:21:52 PM
I found a pic in Prof. Kantei's lecture: www.kantei.go.jp , showing SGTS outside piping near the stack of Units 3 and 4 (arrowheads). Not that the layout is the same at the stack of Units 1 and 2, but note that the piping diameter is smaller than that of other piping connected to the stack: i1214.photobucket.com .
by Peter Melzer via I1214.photobucket 8/8/2011 3:32:03 PM- @Peter Melzer ooo picture I wonder if there are more ...by elainekirk 8/8/2011 3:34:50 PM
- The yellow arrows point at the pipe coming from Unit 4's STGS house. The read arrowhead connected to the insert points at the junction of the STGS of Unit 3 and 4. Much smaller diameter than the fat ones above!by Peter Melzer 8/8/2011 3:36:22 PM
- STGS?by lillymunster 8/8/2011 3:43:57 PM
- @lillymunster : it's a good explanation for the dark smoke out of #3by Edano 8/8/2011 3:46:47 PM
- Revisiting the old pics again: cryptome.org I believe that the SGTS (Standby Gas Treatment System) building of Unit 1 is the structure under the main vent pipe of Unit 1. The thinner pipes on both sides may be the STGS lines.by Peter Melzer 8/8/2011 3:49:42 PM
Sorry the pic is here: cryptome.org
by Peter Melzer via Cryptome.org 8/8/2011 3:51:48 PM
english.kyodonews.jp
Demonstration against nuclear power plants in Hiroshima
Demonstrators take to the streets in Hiroshima, western Japan, on Aug. 6, 2011, the 66th anniversary of the U.S. atomic bombing, calling for the closure of nuclear power plants. (Kyodo)
english.kyodonews.jpby Edano via English.kyodonews.jp 8/8/2011 3:53:18 PM- SGTS = STGS, ;)by Peter Melzer 8/8/2011 3:53:18 PM
- @Peter Melzer : i always wanted to know: all the pipes and the towers are only constructed for nitrogen in an accident? or do they have a general purpose ?by Edano 8/8/2011 3:55:51 PM
- lilly.. sorry I had someone come in office... that sounds good on the rad information and we can all look at it and comment...by dean 8/8/2011 3:55:58 PM
- @Peter Melzer I think we will put you forward for the daily simplyinfo finders awardby elainekirk 8/8/2011 4:05:26 PM
- by elainekirk 8/8/2011 4:08:29 PM
- the third link below has unit drawingsby elainekirk 8/8/2011 4:08:51 PM
- this is orde of progress quake/tsunami we may have it all but there may be nuggets including plans of presumed flow of hydrogen from unit 3 to unit 4 which is where @Peters pic comes in ;)
www.kantei.go.jpby elainekirk 8/8/2011 4:17:19 PM - @Edano , the stacks fulfill general purposes. The fat pipe, if I understand this correctly, is fed by turbine effluents from the condensers and such. The standby gas treatment system (STGS) kicks in only when radiation levels in the reactor building air rise over a certain limit. Normally the air is run through a regular AC system that maintains the negative pressure in the building. Recall hardened venting is an afterthought for emergencies only, supposed to bypass the SGTS, and connect directly to the stack. There are rad level monitors in the stack. The operator is supposed to report to the government should they accidentally rise above limits, and they must shut the reactor down.by Peter Melzer 8/8/2011 4:17:45 PM
- unit by unit www.kantei.go.jp
system structure diagrams www.kantei.go.jp
~Interesting run through of other npp's and effects of quake tsunami on them www.kantei.go.jpby elainekirk 8/8/2011 4:22:03 PM
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