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  • good seeing you again!
    by lillymunster 8/9/2011 11:10:24 PM

  • @elainekirk I missed you as well! Setting up for a new school year has kept me busy the past couple of weeks, I may not be able to contribute much tonight...I am feeling very out of touch :-( @lillymunster It is good to see you as well!
    by smoss 8/9/2011 11:13:01 PM

  • The NYT got some govt officials in Japan to admit to the whole mess. That they withheld radiation information and downplayed the disaster so they didn't have to pay to evacuate more people and to keep up TEPCO's PR.
    by lillymunster 8/9/2011 11:17:03 PM

  • @smoss I hope you enjoy your visit and come again soon :) stay long enough for coffee next time eh ;)
    by elainekirk 8/9/2011 11:21:35 PM

  • @lillymunster I havent seen the nyt do you have a link ?
    by elainekirk 8/9/2011 11:22:12 PM

  • by lillymunster 8/9/2011 11:22:43 PM

  • @lillymunster Are they evacuating more municipalities, or just planning to in case more goes wrong at Fukushima I? translate.google.com
    by smoss 8/9/2011 11:22:45 PM

  • @smoss That is new. Probably due to radiation concentrations. They are finding really high pockets here and there. The govt is still talking about un-evacuating some areas
    by lillymunster 8/9/2011 11:24:27 PM

  • @all Japan's Hokkaido Elec applies for full ops at nuclear reactor
    www.reuters.com
    by smoss 8/9/2011 11:26:51 PM

  • @all (Will apologize if I'm tossing out repeats...I get to stay for awhile and have some coffee!) Unit 3 MOX likely melted through (dated 8/9/11)
    search.japantimes.co.jp
    by smoss 8/9/2011 11:35:05 PM

  • @smoss brilliannt I saw a twet earlier saying it was reacting with the concrete but needed something solid and japan times is solid enough for me
    by elainekirk 8/9/2011 11:41:16 PM

  • @smoss does this mesh with any of your MOX research? Edano looked back at stats and there was pressure loss then radiation spikes. We also have pictures of black smoke coming out of the reactor well around those days.
    by lillymunster 8/9/2011 11:42:13 PM

  • this happened march 20-24.
    by Edano 8/9/2011 11:46:37 PM

  • @lillymunster All of my MOX research was more focused on pre-earthquake specifics. Right after the crisis came to a head at Fukushima I, Areva made a statement that there was absolutely no more than 32 MOX FAs at the facility ( this peeked my interest in the spirit of "me dost think thou protest too much"). I never did a whole lot with post-earthquake timeline as it pertains to the MOX. I am trying to see if I can did up the Fumiya Tanabe original that The Japan Times quotes.
    by smoss 8/9/2011 11:51:32 PM

  • @Edano yes I read all your findings I am just pleased it is now taken up bymsm especially Japanese msm
    by elainekirk 8/9/2011 11:52:41 PM

  • @smoss a bit more of it: enenews.com
    by Edano 8/9/2011 11:55:49 PM

  • @Edano Are your findings on the board or on the web site? (Would love to check them out!)
    by smoss 8/9/2011 11:57:05 PM

  • @smoss here on the board.
    by Edano 8/9/2011 11:58:00 PM

  • tepco answered meanwhile:

    Study says nuclear fuel at Fukushima reactor possibly melted twice, Kyodo, August 9, 2011:

    [...] “I presume that the fuel fell to the bottom of the containment vessel made of concrete and reacted violently with its cement, releasing large amounts of radioactive materials into the outside from the pressure vessel,” said [Fumiya Tanabe, an expert in nuclear safety].

    TEPCO, meanwhile, casts doubt on Tanabe’s assertion, saying most of the fuel probably remains inside the reactor’s pressure vessel as temperature fluctuations were observed depending on the amount of water injected into it.

    enenews.com


    Japan nuke expert: I presume melted fuel reacted violently with cement at Reactor No. 3, releasing large amounts of radioactive materials outside — TEPCO responds
    by Edano 8/10/2011 12:01:00 AM

  • ah, yes and tanabe found rad speaks even in tokyo when the fuel dropped down.
    by Edano 8/10/2011 12:03:16 AM

  • longer version and some new aspects: www.asahi.com

    Between 1 a.m. and 3 a.m. on March 21, the pressure within the pressure vessel of the No. 3 reactor core increased sharply to about 110 atmospheres, likely caused by an explosion within the pressure vessel due to a lack of cooling of the fuel. That was probably the start of the second meltdown, Tanabe said.
    by Edano 8/10/2011 12:06:28 AM

  • @Edano That Asahi article is very detailed!
    by smoss 8/10/2011 12:11:17 AM

  • Excessive radioactive cesium found in Fukushima fish: Greenpeace

    TOKYO (Kyodo) -- Fish caught at a port about 55 kilometers from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant contained radioactive cesium at levels exceeding an allowable limit, the environmental group Greenpeace said Tuesday.

    The samples taken at Onahama port in Iwaki, Fukushima Prefecture, in late July, included a species of rockfish that measured 1,053 becquerels per kilogram. The reading, the highest among the samples, is well in excess of the government-set limit of 500 becquerels per kilogram, according to a study conducted by the environmental group.

    The other samples, which were all rock trout, measured between 625 and 749 becquerels per kilogram, again exceeding the provisional limit.

    The second such study of marine products was conducted over three days from July 22 in Iwaki and the town of Shinchi with cooperation of fishermen and those related to the fisheries industry in Fukushima. A total of 21 samples taken in the study were analyzed at a research institute in France, according to the group [......] more

    (Mainichi Japan) August 9, 2011
    mdn.mainichi.jp
    by Edano 8/10/2011 12:12:56 AM

  • tanabe's study will be published at next month's meeting of the Atomic Energy Society of Japan.
    by Edano 8/10/2011 12:14:25 AM

  • Hi peeps. Mega-crane just moved something much larger than usual into unit 1 on Tepcam.
    by es 8/10/2011 12:21:38 AM

  • @es today they begin to construct the frame for the tent.
    by Edano 8/10/2011 12:22:21 AM

  • @es there is a construction plan from tepco further down.
    by Edano 8/10/2011 12:23:25 AM

  • i56.tinypic.com

    @Edano Thanks. I wonder if it was one of the cranes going in?

    by es via I56.tinypic 8/10/2011 12:28:38 AM

  • If you want some depressing reading, a list of the admitted radiation studies on humans and animals in the US hss.doe.gov
    by lillymunster 8/10/2011 12:31:14 AM

  • @all Coffee Break is over for me :-( Sure felt good to participate for a bit! Keep up the great work!
    by smoss 8/10/2011 12:31:15 AM

  • @smoss see you soon smoss
    by elainekirk 8/10/2011 12:36:41 AM

  • @Edano I sometimes (often) wonder if these news stories are spawned from here :)
    by elainekirk 8/10/2011 12:39:25 AM

  • I knew it. I knew something wasn't right about the nuclear reactor they had here back in the 60's. Found a comment online by a local that all the pipe workers on the decomissioning died of cancer. There were also a number of people researching Pathfinder back in the 1990's. One report from someone who was there that the one time they turned it on it shook uncontrollably.
    The deaths of the original Pathfinder pipe cutters was going on during the nuclear waste fight in South Dakota during the 1980s. Francis Dircks was a Sioux Falls plumber who knew most of the workers who went into the plant during the late 60s and early 70s to cut pipe from the plant. Francis spoke at a number of state legislative hearings and meetings and talked about the workers who had died or had cancer at that point. He attributed the deaths to radiation exposure, but there was asbestos exposure as well. No doubt both played a role in the deaths. Further work on the piping was done in and around the time it was partially decommissioned (early 90s), and it is believed some of these workers have or are dying from asbestos-related cancers.

    The plant was shut down with little public notice in 1967 after a test in which the plant shook uncontrollably. There is a lot about this incident that has never been fully disclosed to the public. I remember that Dr. J.D. Thompson, a physics professor at Augustana College, believed this was a serious incident resulting in some radiation release into the environment. Since this was one of the first commercial nuclear plants, any public admission of radiation release at Pathfinder might have ended nuclear power before it could get off the ground. Since the immediate vicinity of the Pathfinder plant had a number of dairy farms, it is likely that any release of radioactive iodine would have quickly made its way into milk products sold in the area.
    by lillymunster 8/10/2011 1:55:45 AM

  • @lillymunster I love how this site is evolving :) are you putting that on simplyinfo too?
    by elainekirk 8/10/2011 2:02:02 AM

  • Have not been. As I get tidbits on Pathfinder I stash them in a folder on my hard drive. That one series of comments just gave me a pile of leads. Oh and my dad knew Francis Dirks when he was still alive. One of his kids runs his plumbing business I might be able to see if they kept his records on Pathfinder.
    by lillymunster 8/10/2011 2:09:51 AM

  • @lillymunster oh gold dust pure gold that would be!!
    I am going to sleep and recover from my labours G'night Lilly
    by elainekirk 8/10/2011 2:17:23 AM

  • Have a good sleep Elaine
    by lillymunster 8/10/2011 2:19:03 AM

  • g'morning
    by elainekirk 8/10/2011 8:10:34 AM

  • Injured
    - At 9:30 am on August 7, at cooperative firm rest area inside the site, a
    cooperative firm worker who was managing access control expressed dull
    feeling in the right knee and he was sent to Iwaki Kyoritsu Hospital by
    an ambulance. However, the cause was unknown. As a result of medical
    reexamination at Chiba Social Insurance Hospital, he was diagnosed as
    "Traumatic right knee synovialis ecchymoma" www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 8/10/2011 8:37:47 AM

  • I have tried to search synovialis ecchymoma and have decided rather than speculate I will wait till @Edano arrives
    by elainekirk 8/10/2011 9:16:00 AM

  • @elainekirk arrived
    by Edano 8/10/2011 9:25:24 AM

  • haha,. tepco invented a new disease :)
    by Edano 8/10/2011 9:28:54 AM

  • @Edano ahh I did get google come up with alternatives but I am not wise enough to interpret
    by elainekirk 8/10/2011 9:30:31 AM

  • I will find the Japanese report and see what that says
    by elainekirk 8/10/2011 9:31:39 AM

  • An ecchymosis is the medical term for a subcutaneous purpura larger than 1 centimeter or a hematoma, commonly called a bruise. www.google.de
    synovialis denotes the capsule around a joint, so together it means that the worker has a haematoma in the right knee capsule.
    by Edano 8/10/2011 9:31:45 AM

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