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@elainekirk i guess the insurances pay. the shops always open again.
by Edano 8/8/2011 11:06:25 PM

@Edano go check organise they sunk to new depths
by elainekirk 8/8/2011 11:08:00 PM

lots of fires ..... paris had the same some time ago ....
by Edano 8/8/2011 11:12:32 PM

@Edano dunno whether we need this or not what do you think? www.kantei.go.jp
by elainekirk 8/8/2011 11:20:36 PM

@elainekirk yes, for the timeline. people tend to forget facts ....
by Edano 8/8/2011 11:22:44 PM

Outline regarding management of Fukushima Daiichi Unit 3
www.kantei.go.jp
by elainekirk 8/8/2011 11:25:39 PM

All these little International shin digs at private member 'clubs' where they merrily decide which game to play with public money ...
Message from Mr. Yukio Edano,
Chief Cabinet Secretary of the Government of Japan,
to the World Economic Forum Global Risks Workshop
www.kantei.go.jp
by elainekirk 8/8/2011 11:43:53 PM

back, finally. :-)
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 12:51:02 AM

@lillymunster greeting
by elainekirk 8/9/2011 12:53:16 AM

@lillymunster rockhopper needs you
by elainekirk 8/9/2011 12:56:13 AM

k thanks will go look
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 12:57:51 AM

Do you know what he needed? sent him a DM
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 12:59:46 AM

Anger in Japan over withheld radiation forecasts www.mercurynews.com
by Panserbjorne9 8/9/2011 1:01:29 AM

@lillymunster (cont) The story talks about congenital deformity observed around Hanford. Also, potato grown around come to KFC JP. @FreyaFoust
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ikrockhopper Itsumi Kakefuda
There are lots of talk in JP about the Hanford Site and health problems around it. Does anyone have info? Thnanks! @FreyaFoust @ElaineKirk
by elainekirk 8/9/2011 1:03:26 AM

Ah. Hanford. The one article I found the other day is really disturbing.
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 1:07:21 AM

@lillymunster that must be what he is after ]
by elainekirk 8/9/2011 1:19:42 AM

The more I find out about some of the old US installations the more I want to dig.
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 1:27:28 AM

@lillymunster thats good the more we find if we build a picture it can not be said to be 'just fuku ' 'it cant happen anywhere else people' 'honestly
by elainekirk 8/9/2011 1:37:59 AM

It does give at least some basis for understanding the impact of radioactive release. Since there are factors we are finding out are different between reactor meltdowns and nuclear bombs, Hanford may be of more use and more accessible than some of the Chernobyl data.
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 1:42:22 AM

ikrockhopper Itsumi Kakefuda
黙祷。同じ苦しみはもういらない。Momento of Silence for victims in Nagasaki. We shall not repeat the mistake. Enough is enough. #原発とめろ #genpatsu_tomero
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 2:06:15 AM

They certainly don't make it easy to get publicly released information.
www.hanford.gov
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 2:28:21 AM

Japan hid radiation path leaving people in peril www.nytimes.com
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 2:33:32 AM

Good morning tomodachi
by bo 8/9/2011 2:39:58 AM

Hi Bo!
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 2:47:09 AM

I have some good information on Hanford lilly, I
'll forward it to you.
by bo 8/9/2011 2:48:14 AM

@bo Thanks. I found a big archive of photos. www5.hanford.gov N1D as the search term.
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 2:49:22 AM

Nice. Hanford is a nightmare. Among the many horrifying things there, the most troubling is the tank farm. Have you read about this?
by bo 8/9/2011 2:50:15 AM

Not in depth yet.
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 2:53:51 AM

The Japanese twitter folks were wondering about the impact on the population and environment.
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 2:54:58 AM

Local reporters visit the Hanford tank farm
by bo 8/9/2011 2:55:31 AM

The tank farms at Hanford are among the most toxic places on earth. These tanks are all single hulled tanks that are in the ground on the Hanford Reservation site. Remember, the first four nuclear power plants on earth were built here with the sole purpose of manufacturing plutonium for bombs, not for generating electricity. All kinds of toxic and radioactive waste was dumped into these tanks back in the 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s. No record was kept of what was put into individual tanks and no one knows what is in them. Therefore, no one knows the right way to handle the waste (since it is unspecified waste). Some of these tanks are at a full boil because of chemical reactions, many have leaked, many are believed at risk of spontaneous explosion which would spew radiotoxins into the atmosphere. They are a ticking time bomb.
by bo 8/9/2011 3:00:10 AM

The Hanford Tank Farms house 53 million gallons of high-level radioactive and chemical waste that is the byproduct of “reprocessing” spent nuclear fuel.* The high-level waste is stored at Hanford’s 200 Area in massive underground tanks – 177 in total, most of them several decades past their design life and 1/3 of them confirmed leakers – a few miles from the Columbia River.

This waste is deadly stuff; toxic, highly radioactive and producing gases that must be vented to prevent catastrophic explosion**.

A clear picture of tank waste contamination in the soil and groundwater at Hanford has not really emerged – due to the complexity of the task and years of government denial and failure to fund adequate characterization. One million gallons of this waste is officially acknowledged to have leaked from the tanks, but a 1998 study by Department of Energy scientists estimated the total leaks 6 times that amount. Other sources put the amount closer to 10 million gallons with more evidence continuing to emerge***. With tank waste contaminating the groundwater and the Columbia River, any amount is too much.

Given the weakening integrity of the tanks and serious threat of further contaminating the groundwater, minimizing tank leakage and stabilizing the waste are considered the highest priorities of Hanford cleanup work.

www.hanfordchallenge.org
by bo 8/9/2011 3:02:43 AM

Just watching the video. What an epic mess.
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 3:02:50 AM

I will not drink wine from the Columbia River valley. When I was a fruit buyer for an organic produce wholesaler in the bay area, I had a map of Washington state on my wall with a pin in the Hanford site, and then pins in every orchard or farm that we bought from. I always tried to do the buying as far away from Hanford as possible.
by bo 8/9/2011 3:04:26 AM

@bo I can see why. Was the fuel reprocessing to remove the plutonium?
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 3:05:19 AM

It was to reuse the rods. But the tanks contain tons of unrelated stuff that was just dumped there. I have heard that enough radioactive waste water was dumped in open trenches at Hanford to raise the groundwater level by 70 feet.
by bo 8/9/2011 3:06:41 AM

They used to also do "controlled releases" of radiation into the atmosphere there in order to track how it would disperse in the natural environment. Nice.
by bo 8/9/2011 3:07:40 AM

Probably the most radiologically toxic places in the US are all related to nuclear weapon production. That was why the concern was so great during the fire at Los Alamos. But Hanford, Los Alamos, Rocky Flats, Oak Ridge and Savannah River are the most dangerous places in the US. The nuclear plants would all have to be second to these.

Nuclear power plants are run by companies trying to make a profit. The nuclear weapon infrastructure was run by the military with absolutely no oversight or accountability. It was thought that in order to "win" the Cold War, they had to do whatever they needed to do.

The tank farm is a legacy of that mode of behavior.
by bo 8/9/2011 3:09:17 AM

More than the Green Run?
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 3:11:32 AM

Was there a lack of understanding back then of the implications? I remember reading about nuclear waste being dumped in the ocean way back when.
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 3:12:47 AM

There was no lack of understanding. They knew exactly what they were doing. There was no good way to deal with this material. The culture in the AEC at the time was that they were in a death race with the Soviets and that if we survived that, we could think about the debris left in the wake.
by bo 8/9/2011 3:14:05 AM

I don't know about Green Run, tell me!
by bo 8/9/2011 3:14:13 AM

en.wikipedia.org

The "Green Run" was a secret U.S. Government release of radioactive fission products on December 2–3, 1949, at the Hanford Site plutonium

production facility. Radioisotopes released at that time were supposed to be detected by U.S. Air Force reconnaissance. Freedom of Information

Act (FOIA) requests to the U.S. Government have revealed some of the details of the experiment.[1] Sources cite 5,500 to 12,000 curies (200 to

440 TBq) of iodine-131 released,[1][2][3] and an even greater amount of Xenon-133. The radiation was distributed over populated areas, and caused

the cessation of intentional radioactive releases at Hanford until 1962 when more experiments commenced.[3]
There are some indications contained in the documents released by the FOIA requests that many other tests were conducted in the 1940s prior to

the Green Run, although the Green Run was a particularly large test. Evidence suggest that filters to remove the iodine were disabled during the

Green Run.[4][3]
The project gets its name from the processing of uranium at Hanford. Due to the higher radioactivity involved, batch processing waited 83 to 101

days to allow the radioactive isotopes to decay. For the Green Run test, a batch was run with only a 16 day cooling period. The unfiltered

exhaust from the production facility was therefore much more radioactive than during a normal batch.
by lillymunster 8/9/2011 3:15:04 AM