@Ian still working on your zoomed plot(s).... :)
by Edano 8/30/2011 5:39:58 PM
@RadioGuy If this story TEPCO is floating was true, nobody believes it. The manner it was presented in was vague and left many questions. At least among people on Twitter nobody believes it at all.
by lillymunster 8/30/2011 5:44:58 PM
Detect trace amounts of strontium-90 from food - spotted off the coast of Fukushima prefecture | SAVE CHILD
translate.google.comtodays story from source
translate.googleusercontent.comby elainekirk 8/30/2011 5:48:59 PM
rad measurements in air over unit 1
www.tepco.co.jpand unit 2
www.tepco.co.jp quite amazing eh
by elainekirk 8/30/2011 5:58:52 PM
I am working on a set of questions for an interview with Hatchiko Coalition, they are the group that goes in the evac zone to rescue and feed animals. If you have something you would like me to ask please post it. :-)
by lillymunster 8/30/2011 5:59:37 PM
@Peter Melzer The workers have stopped tweeting except for one and he seemed to dismiss the whole thing in a slightly odd way. He didn't directly address it but was dismissive of the radiation risk. It was really odd.
by lillymunster 8/30/2011 6:01:29 PM
@RadioGuy do they hand that book out at business school?
by lillymunster 8/30/2011 6:02:15 PM
More horse apples from TEPCO: According to TEPCO, the Ministry of Health certification standards for workers' exposure to acute leukemia more than 5 mSv per year, and a one-year incubation period. Working with the first nuclear power plant in Fukushima this man, that meet the standards. For an earlier career as engaged in nuclear work is not known, TEPCO is "no further plans to study" is said.
sankei.jp.msn.comby lillymunster 8/30/2011 6:34:46 PM
@M.I.A. not that I have heard of. They are being left to starve to death. The govt. won't let anyone in the exclusion zone so the rescue groups that are going in are violating the law. The Hosni's got arrested about a month ago and let go soon after. One of the groups reported last week that officials have started dropping trees across roads to keep people out so now the people going into the evac zone have to walk in to areas. That means they are exposed more, have to tote pet food by hand and carry or walk rescue animals back out to wherever they had to leave their van. The govt. policy seems to be ignore the situation and make everyone else ignore it too.
by lillymunster 8/30/2011 6:55:48 PM
The man's exposure dosage was smaller than 5 millisieverts or higher per year — the benchmark for recognizing a death as work-related — Tepco said, citing the Health, Labor and Welfare Ministry's criteria on work-related deaths.
The ministry's criteria also put the incubation period to develop symptoms of acute leukemia at one year.
The man's job was to open and close doors of a worker rest area in early August, Okazaki said.
His job was to make sure radiation did not enter the rest place, the spokesman added.
The man's employer, a subcontractor of Tepco, notified the utility on Aug. 16 that he complained of sickness after working at the plant, saw a doctor and died, Okazaki said.
A health check conducted before he worked at the plant found no problems with the man, he said
search.japantimes.co.jpby elainekirk 8/30/2011 7:14:43 PM
@elainekirk this story just keeps making less sense.
by lillymunster 8/30/2011 7:20:59 PM
@lillymunster what was the problem with acting in a humane manner and government / tepco saying
We are sad to say that on <><><> a male employee of tepco passed away . We wish to extend our sincere sympathies to his family and will give further information after the autopsy results are known.
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A dr saying it was not radiation is a load of bull sh*t until test results (if tests have been done) are known then nobody knows if radiation was a contributory factor
by elainekirk 8/30/2011 7:26:59 PM
@elainekirk good point. Nobody has said anything about an autopsy. In the US such a situation would likely trigger a mandatory autopsy by the coroner. I don't know if this is a cultural thing or a TEPCO thing to say nothing regretful or kind at all. Maybe the JP crew can help sort that out. TEPCO has done plenty of apologizing for the mess they made, not sure why nothing else was said.
by lillymunster 8/30/2011 7:32:04 PM
@lillymunster can you think of a national crisis on the level of fuku where the government made no statement???
by elainekirk 8/30/2011 7:37:24 PM
@elainekirk no statement about the worker death?
by lillymunster 8/30/2011 7:37:54 PM
one year "incubation" ? BS.
by Edano 8/30/2011 8:53:52 PM
@Edano can you shed more light on this? So we can point out the flaws in the story?
by lillymunster 8/30/2011 8:59:03 PM
the word "incubation" is only used for infections. it is completely senseless to use it with other deseases. in this case we speak of "latency". i really wonder what kind of morons work in japanese health institutes. they are stupid. of course you can die of "acute leucaemia" within days.
by Edano 8/30/2011 8:59:24 PM
"Incubation period, medical term for the time between being exposed to
infection and showing first symptoms"
en.wikipedia.org radiation is of course no infection.
by Edano 8/30/2011 9:01:52 PM
@Edano would something like this cause an autopsy in Germany?
by lillymunster 8/30/2011 9:03:51 PM
Not sure who used the term incubation, if that was TEPCO, the labor ministry or the journalist.
by lillymunster 8/30/2011 9:04:46 PM
@lillymunster i would say no. the cause of death is not controversial. he died of AML. the only question is how he got it. a body scan would be logical to perform.
by Edano 8/30/2011 9:05:48 PM
The man's exposure dosage was smaller than 5 millisieverts or higher per year — the benchmark for recognizing a death as work-related — Tepco said, citing the Health, Labor and Welfare Ministry's criteria on work-related deaths.
The ministry's criteria also put the incubation period to develop symptoms of acute leukemia at one year.
search.japantimes.co.jp so tepco is citing government docs.....should I go look?
by elainekirk 8/30/2011 9:08:29 PM
you can diagnose AML quite clearly with clinic blood tests. search for PML-RARα fusion protein.
by Edano 8/30/2011 9:09:35 PM
or/and a bone marrow biopsis.
by Edano 8/30/2011 9:12:35 PM
dr house does that every day :)
by Edano 8/30/2011 9:12:52 PM
@elainekirk internal or dosimeter exposure ?
by Edano 8/30/2011 9:15:38 PM
@Edano the exposure? they say .5msv external bt not how it was measured
by elainekirk 8/30/2011 9:17:55 PM
From what I could tell that dose number is coming from his records at Fuku, not from the hospital.
by lillymunster 8/30/2011 9:19:55 PM
Here's an extensive overview of Fukushima sent to me : www.kantei.go.jp Note the high-quality graphs of Unit-3 reactor data on page IV-87, as well as for the other reactors.by Ian 8/30/2011 5:41:56 PM
@RadioGuy , the dysfunctionality is astounding, isn't it. You would think that they would send a monitoring tech ahead of anyone into the workspace to check whether the air is clear. That may not take longer than ten minutes.by Peter Melzer 8/30/2011 5:42:30 PM
Tepco To Accept Claims For Nuclear Disaster Compensation From September
I guess it's a page from the Tao of Greed:
@All To your knowledge, have any of the dead animals in the exclusion zone been autopsied for radiation as cause of death?by M.I.A. 8/30/2011 6:51:47 PM
As usual I've been trying to wade through the misinformation surrounding events at Daiichi and it's thoroughly depressing. Like Ian, I've been looking back at some official legalese used to decribe the situation at the plant in the early days and I'm confident that by the 18th of March the IAEA had already known for several days that in all three reactors the core fuel had melted down and out of containment. So what did they do? They raised the level of the accident on their International Nuclear Event Scale from the initial FOUR to a ... FIVE! We were outraged at the time I know, but why did they wait so long (until 12 April) to up it to a SEVEN in the face of all the evidence they had of a situation far worse than that of, say, Three Mile Island? Did this triple reactor melt-through really only constitute a "Limited release of radioactive material likely to require implementation of some planned countermeasures", and not a "Major release of radioactive material with widespread health and environmental effects requiring implementation of planned and extended countermeasures"?
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