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In a case like this where it was likely acute radiation exposure that caused it, is there any treatment available or is it too late once it turns into leukemia.
by lillymunster 8/30/2011 9:20:40 PM

aml has severe symptoms that make working impossible. if the man had no symptoms when hired for tepco, he was either healthy which means he suffered an acute radiation syndrome in fukushima due to very high rad exposure, or he was ill before, but then he would not die within a week or two.
by Edano 8/30/2011 9:20:45 PM

I'm sensing a fallacy of argument from ignorance wrt this leukemia case that goes like this : We don't know the effects of low-dose radiation exposure, therefore we know that low-dose exposure did not case this case of leukemia.
by Ian 8/30/2011 9:21:07 PM

@Edano agreed, this is absolutely absurd. Anyone, ANYONE, in the medical field should be yelling about this!!
by Panserbjorne9 8/30/2011 9:22:03 PM

@lillymunster yes, there is treatment. the usual chemotherapie and bone marrow transplantation. the higher the dose the faster you die and there is no time for therapies anymore.
by Edano 8/30/2011 9:22:54 PM

but with aml two weeks before death you could never work.
by Edano 8/30/2011 9:24:24 PM

@Panserbjorne9 ty.
by Edano 8/30/2011 9:25:06 PM

@Edano that is what I keep going back to. Someone working weeks before they die of leukemia they supposedly contracted long ago just doesn't make sense.
by lillymunster 8/30/2011 9:25:27 PM

@Edano That's what's getting me. Two weeks out from dying of AML, how do you even struggle into all the gear?
by RadioGuy 8/30/2011 9:25:37 PM

@lillymunster surely. the symptoms make working impossible. you are weak, bleeding, you have infections like pneumonia. you cannot even leave the bed. it is very ugly.
by Edano 8/30/2011 9:27:32 PM

It's hogwash, plain and simple. It counts on people'
to hold any kind of veracity at all. And in my mind, what's worse, is that it PROPOGATES those myths from a voice of "authority".
by RadioGuy 8/30/2011 9:28:42 PM

a person with acute leukaemia shortly before death you can see the illness. you would never judge him healthy.
by Edano 8/30/2011 9:29:09 PM

on people's lack of understanding
it posted instead
by RadioGuy 8/30/2011 9:29:16 PM

Now we have it on good authority that there's a one year "incubation period" on cesium fatalities. Like that doesn't breed uncertainty in the rest of the population.
by RadioGuy 8/30/2011 9:31:15 PM

@RadioGuy talk about bad rumor and misinformation.
by lillymunster 8/30/2011 9:31:22 PM

It's unbelievable to me that of all the ways this could all have been handled, this is the best anyone could come up with. Pathetic.
by RadioGuy 8/30/2011 9:32:03 PM

@RadioGuy Are people going to think they will suddenly drop dead in a year because of this?
by lillymunster 8/30/2011 9:32:12 PM

Edano, is there a study, a paper or a patient education thing we can cite to help point this out to people?
by lillymunster 8/30/2011 9:34:03 PM

in fact, a worker stepping into the 10 Sv/h steam or working nearby, would develop exactly this what they now call AML and die within weeks of acute radiation syndrome.
by Edano 8/30/2011 9:34:07 PM

They've certainly been told it can happen to a worker who was below 5mSv/yr. What's the citizenry's evacuation dose these days?
by RadioGuy 8/30/2011 9:34:08 PM

but not 5 mSv/YR as they said.
by RadioGuy 8/30/2011 9:35:04 PM

@lillymunster i am looking through the medical journals i have access to here at the clinical lab; there has to be something on progression of disease. will keep looking
by Panserbjorne9 8/30/2011 9:35:44 PM

The final phase in acute myeloid leukaemia (AML): a study of cause of death, place of death and type of care during the last week of life www.sciencedirect.com
by Panserbjorne9 8/30/2011 9:37:36 PM

I guess now that they're being forced to admit some substantial rad numbers, their new play is to confuse the lines so much no one knows what's true anymore?
by RadioGuy 8/30/2011 9:37:59 PM

@lillymunster en.wikipedia.org in the table, i would estimate the 8-30 Gy column.
by Edano 8/30/2011 9:39:08 PM

I have been scouring the ministry website www.mhlw.go.jp that tepco quote as giving an 'incubation period' of 1 yr and I can find nno mention of it being viral, the only leukemia +viral they mention is Friend Murine Leukemia virus in respect of infants with a 14-16day incubation www.google.co.uk
by elainekirk 8/30/2011 9:40:02 PM

@elainekirk they are idiots to use the word "incubation". it is not an infection.
by Edano 8/30/2011 9:41:57 PM

"Time from exposure to vomiting can also give estimates of exposure levels if they are less than 1000 rad." en.wikipedia.org
by Edano 8/30/2011 9:45:19 PM

@Edano yes I thought that to counter their tales it would be wise to ensure that said ministry did not have any information that could have been misconstrued by tepco ;)
by elainekirk 8/30/2011 9:45:40 PM

I *am* finding information that talks about how quickly you can die from AML. A lot of cases out there of very short term between diagnosis and death- even 'unexplained' death that it was only determined afterwards that the patient had AML. I am NOT saying this is the case- the coincidence is too uncanny- but i am just transmitting the info.
"Typically, AML develops quite quickly (acutely) and rapidly becomes worse (over a few weeks or so) unless treated.
Left untreated, AML usually causes death within a few months."
www.patient.co.uk
by Panserbjorne9 8/30/2011 9:50:07 PM

I am trying to find a copy of the journal article PB found. I don't have access to that system.
by lillymunster 8/30/2011 9:50:30 PM

@Panserbjorne9 Adding to the coincidence factor:

AML is an uncommon disease and affects about 2,000 adults and about 50 children in the UK each year. Most cases occur in people aged over 50. AML is rare in people under the age of 20. It is slightly more common in men than in women.
by lillymunster 8/30/2011 9:53:02 PM

on the other hand, if i was payed by tepco and they bring me a patient with acute radiation, dying within a week, i would also say, he had "acute leukaemia". and without a body count they could never prove different.
by Edano 8/30/2011 9:53:24 PM

@Edano can they do a body scan after someone has died?
by lillymunster 8/30/2011 9:54:36 PM

@lillymunster yes. the radiation does not die. :)
by Edano 8/30/2011 9:55:09 PM

by Edano 8/30/2011 9:58:18 PM

@lillymunster i can email it to you, hang on
by Panserbjorne9 8/30/2011 10:00:36 PM

@Panserbjorne9 thanks, I really need to get down to the college and get an alumni card. My state library access sucks.
by lillymunster 8/30/2011 10:01:15 PM

if anyone wants to read DocCheck restricted sites, i have access.
by Edano 8/30/2011 10:02:17 PM

I can get to a lot of the medical journals online due to being within the Children's Hospital network, so same here- if you have a link that doesn't work, let me know and i can try it.
by Panserbjorne9 8/30/2011 10:06:01 PM

Someone on twitter posted a bunch of leukemia info, in Japanese onodekita.sblo.jp
by lillymunster 8/30/2011 10:07:46 PM

The two we seem to hit pay walls on is Science Direct and Jstor.
by lillymunster 8/30/2011 10:08:31 PM

TEPCO finds possibly active faults near Fukushima

Tokyo Electric Power Company suspects there are 5 active faults near the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant that could affect the crippled plant if they cause a tremor.

TEPCO made the discovery after the Japanese government requested utilities and nuclear agencies to reexamine faults around nuclear plants.

The directive followed a strong earthquake on April 11th from a fault thought to be inactive, 50 kilometers from the Fukushima plant.

TEPCO said on Tuesday that geological deformations were observed for the first time at 5 faults, suggesting they are active.

The utility will continue drilling to investigate the conditions, though the firm believes any tremors would be within the quake-resistance standard.

Besides TEPCO, two nuclear agencies reported 9 faults near their nuclear facilities in Ibaraki Prefecture that could be active.

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 06:16 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp
by Edano 8/30/2011 10:08:51 PM

Nuclear plant worker dies of acute leukemia [30 August, 2011]: mdn.mainichi.jp
"TOKYO (Kyodo) -- A worker in his 40s who had been engaged in recovery work at the crisis-hit Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant has died of acute leukemia, plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Tuesday.

Tokyo Electric said the worker's death is not linked with his work at the plant, citing results of medical examination by doctors.

The man had been exposed to 0.5 millisievert of radiation at the plant and showed no internal exposure to radiation, said the power company, known as TEPCO.

The dosage is much smaller than 5 millisieverts or higher per year -- the benchmark for recognizing a death as work-related -- TEPCO said, citing the Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare's criteria on work-related deaths. The ministry's criteria also put the incubation period to develop symptoms of acute leukemia at one year.

TEPCO said the man had been involved with duties on radiation control at the plant for a week starting in early August. He later complained of poor health and underwent medical checkups before his death.

TEPCO said it received the report on the worker's death on Aug. 16 from one of its contractors whose subcontractor hired the worker.

The utility said it had no information on the man's work career before being engaged in the recovery work at the nuclear power plant which was crippled by the March 11 earthquake-tsunami disaster."
by es 8/30/2011 10:09:33 PM

ok, looks like i've got jstor "Your access to JSTOR provided by University of Southern California" (Children's and USC are sister sites)

by Panserbjorne9 8/30/2011 10:11:22 PM