
@Peter i agree, because the second shows the torus explosion.
by Edano 9/21/2011 9:33:17 PM

Sort of stupid question. Did all 3 explosions happen after watering was resumed?
by lillymunster 9/21/2011 9:35:07 PM

@lillymunster on #2 and 3 yes (seawater injection), on #1 no.
by Edano 9/21/2011 9:36:06 PM

in #1 the explosion was at 15:36, the seawater injection started 20:20. both on march 12.
by Edano 9/21/2011 9:37:23 PM

@artnuke
" * In April 1994, a commemoration text from the Ukrainian embassy in Belgium counted 25,000 dead among the liquidators since 1986.
* According to Georgy Lepnin, a Belarusian physician who worked on reactor #4, "approximately 100,000 liquidators are now dead", of a total number of one million workers.[citation needed]
* According to Vyacheslav Grishin of the Chernobyl Union, the main organization of liquidators, "25,000 of the Russian liquidators are dead and 70,000 disabled, about the same in Ukraine, and 10,000 dead in Belarus and 25,000 disabled", which makes a total of 60,000 dead (10% of the 600 000, liquidators) and 165,000 disabled.[4]
* A UNSCEAR report places the total confirmed deaths from radiation at 64 as of 2008.
* Estimates of the number of deaths potentially resulting from the accident vary enormously: the World Health Organization (WHO) suggest it could reach 4,000:
A total of up to 4000 people could eventually die of radiation exposure from the Chernobyl nuclear power plant (NPP) accident nearly 20 years ago, an international team of more than 100 scientists has concluded.
As of mid-2005, however, fewer than 50 deaths had been directly attributed to radiation from the disaster, almost all being highly exposed rescue workers, many who died within months of the accident but others who died as late as 2004. [WHO-IAEA agreement] "
en.wikipedia.orgby Edano 9/21/2011 9:43:07 PM

in some 10 years they will tell us that nuclear bombs are completely harmless, as long as you keep smiling.
by Edano 9/21/2011 9:44:51 PM

"
AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE INTERNATIONAL ATOMIC ENERGY AGENCY AND THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION WHA_12_40"
www.independentwho.infoby Edano 9/21/2011 9:49:00 PM

@Edano and that the three headed fish are of the nesting variety and therefore need defunkt nuke subs to be sunk in many locations to enable them to breed and produce the three headed multilimbed amphibious young that will enrich the planet
by elainekirk 9/21/2011 9:49:18 PM

@Edano In reading this containment/corium document Dean found yesterday it talks about watering can cause undesired effects. Energetic reactions, more hydrogen build up, more pressure in containment etc. Unit 1 had smaller containment so that might have made some difference in build up.
by lillymunster 9/21/2011 9:50:28 PM

TEPCO burdened with task of treating contaminated water at damaged nuclear plant
The government is pouring effort into bringing the temperature at Unit 2 of the Fukushima No. 1 Nuclear Power Plant under 100 degrees Celsius to prevent the release of radioactive materials through steam, but workers are also faced with the task of dealing with huge amounts of contaminated water.
The process of bringing the temperature in the reactor core under 100 degrees Celsius is known as a "cold shutdown." However, this normally applies to a properly functioning reactor, and experts are split over whether it is applicable at the Fukushima No. 1 complex, where meltdowns have occurred.
mdn.mainichi.jpby elainekirk 9/21/2011 9:51:23 PM

@lillymunster yes, possible.
by Edano 9/21/2011 9:51:29 PM

@elainekirk i think the 3 headed fish are sterile. most of those mutations are.
by Edano 9/21/2011 9:52:34 PM

@RadioGuy So no sea mine turkeys? :-(
by lillymunster 9/21/2011 9:54:25 PM

@RadioGuy I almost spewed coffee on my laptop
by lillymunster 9/21/2011 10:07:35 PM

TEPCO releases new images of Fukushima plantTokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, has released new video footage of its Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.
The video footage is 3 minutes and 40 seconds long and consists of various clips taken between late June and mid-September.
Footage shot at the No. 1 reactor showed work to cover the reactor building to reduce the release of radioactive substances. A panel of 20 square meters was being lifted with a crane. TEPCO says 8 of the 18 panels needed to cover the entire building had been installed as of Tuesday.
Footage taken at the No. 3 reactor showed workers manually adjusting the volume of water to be injected in order to cool the reactor. Earlier this month, TEPCO began boosting water injection to lower the temperature of the reactor to below 100 degrees Celsius.
The video also showed workers learning how to use dosimeters and how to put on full face masks at a training session.
The company said it is becoming more important to train workers as operations to bring the plant under control proceed. It added that it hopes the images will convey the atmosphere at the site.
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 23:57 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp by Edano 9/21/2011 10:09:05 PM

From the anals of the IAEA.
Construction of Radiation-Induced Mutant Libraries and Function Analysis of Mutated Genes in Crop Plants
tc.iaea.orgby elainekirk 9/21/2011 10:09:27 PM

@M.I.A. I have not looked at those documents yet, still trying to finish up this one.
pbadupws.nrc.govExcellent discussion of containment issues, scenarios and corium behaviors. I do find it interesting that after various media outlets talk of recriticality and post evidence of such now the official agencies are suddenly releasing these documents.
by lillymunster 9/21/2011 10:09:36 PM

Spiegel Online sneaks into J Village
www.spiegel.deby lillymunster 9/21/2011 10:17:15 PM

@artnuke i tried to give you some background about studies of chernobyl and cited many links, but you did not respond. somehow i get the impression that you are not interested in a critical dialogue.
by Edano 9/21/2011 10:40:34 PM

@Edano Per your earlier theory of unit 3's RPV being dislodged during the explosion. I found this mention in the document and it made me think of that theory.
generation of pressures and shock waves
that can fail vessel support structures,
leading to movement of the vessel and
failure of containment piping
penetrations,
by lillymunster 9/21/2011 10:45:21 PM

"
Health risk of radioactive caesium"
Caesium-137 reacts with water producing a water-soluble compound (caesium hydroxide), and the biological behavior of caesium is similar to that of potassium and rubidium. After entering the body, caesium gets more or less uniformly distributed throughout the body, with higher concentration in muscle tissues and lower in bones. The biological half-life of caesium is rather short at about 70 days.[8] Experiments with dogs showed that a single dose of 3800 μCi/kg (140 MBq/kg, or approximately 44 μg/kg)
is lethal within three weeks.[9]
Accidental ingestion of caesium-137 can be treated with Prussian blue, which binds to it chemically and then speeds its expulsion from the body.[10]
The improper handling of caesium-137 gamma ray sources can lead to release of this radio-isotope and radiation injuries.
Perhaps the best-known case is the Goiânia accident, in which an improperly-disposed-of radiation therapy system from an abandoned clinic in the city of Goiânia, Brazil, was scavenged from a junkyard, and the glowing caesium salt sold to curious, uneducated buyers. This led to multiple deaths and serious injuries from radiation exposure."
en.wikipedia.orgby Edano 9/21/2011 10:46:17 PM

@lillymunster yes, i have seen that this relocation theory finds some support recently. i always think of the lightbulb with its high pressure as a rocket ramp for the rpv. and if the explosion was initiated in the drywell, it would have very likely destroyed the caps.
by Edano 9/21/2011 10:50:06 PM

@Edano I am also finding mentions of the concrete pedestal in the BWR being prone to damage in explosive events. I think we have lots of various theories and questions coming together with some of the documents being found and coming out.
by lillymunster 9/21/2011 10:51:10 PM

@lillymunster the support skirt, yes. it can also be destroyed by the molten corium.
by Edano 9/21/2011 10:52:33 PM

the #3 rpv might not be anymore where they expect it to be....
by Edano 9/21/2011 10:53:24 PM

@Peter horrible thinking of that ...... :(
by Edano 9/21/2011 10:54:27 PM

@lillymunster i remember the rpv was equipped with elastic shock absorbers on its upper parts. if those got damaged during quake or due to temps or the explosion, the rpv head is not properly connected anymore to the containment.
by Edano 9/21/2011 10:58:14 PM

Troy Davis is dying right now .... what a shame ! :( :( :(
by Edano 9/21/2011 11:02:45 PM

@Edano there were shock absorber type units put on the bottom of the RPV in BWR units. I think Fuku had them.
by lillymunster 9/21/2011 11:06:32 PM

@lillymunster now tell me if they were designed to withstand a 9.0 quake, corebreach and explosion.
by Edano 9/21/2011 11:08:31 PM

@Peter it's a question of time and cooling.
by Edano 9/21/2011 11:12:00 PM