
So if Magnesium Oxide is an enterosorbent much like charcoal it could possibly pull things out of the GI tract. Would it have some potential to pull things out of muscle, bone, organs? That seems unlikely?
by lillymunster 9/23/2011 4:57:32 PM

@ Edano.. what I want to know is if I run to the front of the neutrino train inside am I traveling faster than the neutrino.. hmmmmm
by dean 9/23/2011 4:58:20 PM

@dean hmmmmm
by Edano 9/23/2011 5:11:01 PM

and if you shoot a gun running forward in a neutrino train, will you shoot yourself ?
by Edano 9/23/2011 5:12:07 PM

March quake may have been caused by active fault in seabed: studyTOKYO, Sept. 23, Kyodo
The magnitude 9.0 earthquake that struck northeastern Japan on March 11 may have been caused by an active fault in the seabed, according to the results of a private study made available Friday, contradicting the prevailing view that active seabed faults are not directly involved in ocean trench earthquakes.
A group of researchers from Japanese universities including Toyo University and Hiroshima University has concluded that a 400-kilometer fault line off Japan's northeastern coast may have been responsible for the March earthquake.
''In order to make quake predictions more realistic, information regarding active faults in the seabed should be taken into account,'' said Takashi Tanaka, emeritus professor at Hiroshima University, who participated in the study.
english.kyodonews.jp by Edano 9/23/2011 5:16:14 PM

I stopped for lunch.. well put @ Peter,,, also I wonder what the changing magnetic field around the earth affects things
by dean 9/23/2011 5:23:29 PM

Regarding the Assessment of a Report on Maintaining Water Injection
into Units 1, 2 and 3 Reactors at Fukushima Dai-ichi Nuclear Power Station,
Tokyo Electric Power Co., Inc.
www.nisa.meti.go.jpby elainekirk 9/23/2011 5:47:38 PM

the german bundesrat today stopped the plans for liquification and storage of carbondioxide (CCS). there will be no further evaluation and preparation.
by Edano 9/23/2011 6:20:05 PM

Another bit from the corium paper:
Some containments have a fairly open path
around the reactor vessel to the upper
containment. Melt can be dispersed upwards
from the cavity through the annulus around
the RPV into the refueling canal and upper
dome
Now combine this with the previous part of the document that talked about how the bolts on the containment cap can stretch when heated. This sure sounds like unit 3.
by lillymunster 9/23/2011 6:29:16 PM

@Peter aha, i said that from the first moment. :)
by Edano 9/23/2011 6:43:12 PM

i mean the explosion was too heavy and vertical to stem only from the refuelling floor. it came out of the containment. like a rocket.
by Edano 9/23/2011 6:47:59 PM

@Peter it says there is a silicon gasket on the PCV. I think it may have stretched the bolts and destroyed the gasket as part of the explosion at 3. This would explain the blast, removal of contents from containment but then having pressure in containment for a few days and not finding a destroyed PCV yellow cap anywhere.
It reminds me of a water lock for brewing. Pressure lifts the cap up so gasses can escape then the cap drops back down. I think some pressure cookers use a similar mechanism.
by lillymunster 9/23/2011 6:55:09 PM

@Edano Right. Out the containment well.
by lillymunster 9/23/2011 6:55:50 PM

If the first part of the blast at 3 that was more horizontal was a hydrogen blast, the heat from the hydrogen blast could have flash heated containment that was already max'ed out with direct containment heat from the core to cause a massive steam ejection like Ian mentions out the reactor well
by lillymunster 9/23/2011 6:57:56 PM

Since TEPCO is still trying to keep nitrogen in containment this seemed relevant:
"Note that
for 75% additional nitrogen, the atmosphere
is inert.
3
'
4
This corresponds to 5% oxygen at
the limit of the flammable region, a value
very close to that of the upper limit for
hydrogen:air combustion"
with leaking containment would it be possible to keep a 75% nitrogen mix?
by lillymunster 9/23/2011 7:00:52 PM

@wrshpr I couldn't find what kind of reactor Darlington's new one would be? It looks like it got the go ahead last week. :-(
by lillymunster 9/23/2011 7:14:39 PM

Found another interesting tidbit. Talking about the direction of a deflagration with hydrogen and that the percentage of the mixture can impact the direction. Could this explain some of the downward action in #4's explosion?
For hydrogen concentrations
between 4.1 and 6.0%, there will be upward
propagation from the ignition source.
Hydrogen concentrations between 6.0 and
9.0% will produce both upward and
horizontal propagation, and hydrogen
concentrations above 9.0% will produce
propagation in all directions, although the
upward propagation may be faster than the
downward propagation.
by lillymunster 9/23/2011 7:32:44 PM

@lillymunster I didnt realise it was so volatile as 9%
by elainekirk 9/23/2011 7:34:46 PM

Vermont Yankee
2Q/2011 Plant Inspection Findingswww.nrc.gov by elainekirk 9/23/2011 7:36:04 PM

@elainekirk Really interesting all the subtle things that can drastically change how hydrogen behaves.
Also found this one that might explain the multiple explosions at 4 or the earlier incident where a couple of lower wall panels were knocked out before the big explosion.
The range of
incomplete combustion corresponds to the
range in which the mixture is above the
flammability limit for upward propagation,
but below the flammability limit for
downward propagation.
by lillymunster 9/23/2011 7:45:34 PM

@lillymunster I just get mystified as to why they arent just opn about things
by elainekirk 9/23/2011 7:49:38 PM

@elainekirk the vermont yankee findings or the events at Fuku? I think TEPCO assumed unit 3 filled unit 4 with hydrogen and didn't give it more thought.
by lillymunster 9/23/2011 8:00:35 PM

@lillymunster I started last night to map 'notifiable events' at Japans npp's and tepco were no different to the others so I can only conckude that they either get away with concealing a lot of events or Japans npps are trash
by elainekirk 9/23/2011 8:04:37 PM

@elainekirk TEPCO had covering things up down to an art form. I think all the power providers in Japan were lax but TEPCO seems to have taken things to extremes in not doing repairs and making them just go away
by lillymunster 9/23/2011 8:13:50 PM

OT but I just found this monthly operating report for a reactor somewhere in America from 1980 and we are 30yrs on so how much maintenance would be needed no ?? it is mind boggling if you assume that as time progresses
pbadupws.nrc.gov by elainekirk 9/23/2011 8:15:52 PM

The paper also talks about localized hydrogen combustion. Like if a localized spot such as the cavity below the RPV inside the concrete tube it sits in. If the mixture can be right the corium burning the concrete can set the right situation where hydrogen can burn there between the RPV and corium continuously
.
by lillymunster 9/23/2011 8:22:35 PM

@artnuke pipe type structures as long as the inside and ends are somewhat open can create or increase a hydrogen explosion.
by lillymunster 9/23/2011 9:14:07 PM

@Elaine, reading the hydrogen information I think the geometry of the refueling floor at #4 may be enough to create favorable conditions to encourage a hydrogen explosion's velocity or shock wave. So the busted out wall on the one end could have been shock wave plus big debris from the SFP end.
by lillymunster 9/23/2011 9:17:39 PM

@lillymunster sounds good reasoning
by elainekirk 9/23/2011 9:18:47 PM

Oh My!
"At Peach Bottom, drywell meltthrough is the most
important mode of containment failure."
From the document I am reading. Peach Bottom is pretty close to Fuku in design.
by lillymunster 9/23/2011 9:24:54 PM

@lillymunster not sure what that means can you explainn more please
by elainekirk 9/23/2011 9:26:36 PM