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  • @RadioGuy we have a hole in torus and rising torus radiation and possibly corium in torus. i would be surprised if there is no iodine emission anymore today.
    by Edano 9/22/2011 11:50:04 AM

  • edano, below the tepco narrative on unit 2 in the September update (chapter 2) from NISA to IAEA: "From 04:20 to 05:00, March 12, as water level of the Condensate Storage Tank (CST) decreased and also in order to control rising of the S/C water level, the water source for the RCIC was switched from the CST to the S/C for the RCIC to continue injecting water. The reactor water level remained stable at the level sufficiently above the TAF until 11:30, March 14. From that point to 13:25, March 14, the reactor water level began to drop, at which point the RCIC was judged to have shut down. The water level dropped to 0mm (TAF) at 16:20, the same day.
    SRV opening and alternative water injection operations commenced at 16:34, March 14, and the seawater injection into the reactor using fire engines was started at 19:54, the same day.
    With regard to PCV vent operations to reduce pressure in the PCV, at 06:50, March 12, TEPCO was ordered by the Minister of Economy, Trade and Industry in accordance with Article 64, Paragraph 3 of the Reactor Regulation Act to contain the PCV pressure. Based on this order, TEPCO began PCV vent operations, at around 11:00, March 13 and also at around 0:00, March 15, but a decrease in D/W pressure could not be verified.
    At 13:18, March 14, the reactor water level became on the declining trend, and then at 13:25, March 14, RCIC was judged to be in function failure. Reaching TAF was expected around 16:30, March 14, thus the preparatory work for seawater injection was continued, then 14:43, March 14, the work for connecting fire engines to FP was completed. After that, due to the occurrences of aftershock centered in off the coast of Fukushima prefecture from past 15:00 to past 16:00, March 14, suspension of work as well as evacuation of staff were forced, however, around 16:30, March 14, with fire engines which became workable, the arrangement for starting water injection upon the reactor depressurization was completed.
    For injecting water from fine engines, parallel lines were formed at Units 2 and 3. Unit2 needed reactor depressurization via opening of SRV, however due to high temperature and pressure of S/C (As of 12:30, March14、S/C temperature 149.3°C,S/C pressure 486kPa abs), even SRV was opened, vapor condensation as well as the depressurization of AC could be difficult. In the light of this, it was decided that after arrangement of PCV vent, SRV would be opened to depressurize the reactor, and then seawater would be injected." ...to be continued.
    by Peter 9/22/2011 11:54:53 AM

  • The Japanese Tsunami and Resulting Nuclear Emergency at the Fukushima Daiichi Power Facility: Technical, Radiologic, and Response Perspectives
    jnm.snmjournals.org
    by RadioGuy 9/22/2011 11:56:37 AM

  • if you look on this for the 16th sept the level of 131 is <9.1E+03 before treatment and <5.6E+00 after treatment. Now to me that says it is present in the waste water I will look for more exact though www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 9/22/2011 12:04:35 PM

  • here is no recent iodine detection (air/dust): www.tepco.co.jp
    by Edano 9/22/2011 12:06:11 PM

  • edano, here is more:
    "At 8:10 on March 13, the PCV vent valve (MO valve) was made open 25% of the stipulated procedure. At 11:00 on March 13, the solenoid valve of the large S/C vent valve (AO valve) was energized by a small generator for temporary illumination of the Main Control Room to perform the opening operation. The vent line composition was complete except for the rupture disk. However, D/W pressure was lower than the rupture disk working pressure (427 kPa gage), the state of failure in venting was retained, and the monitoring of the D/W pressure was continued.
    However, at 11:01 on March 14, explosion occurred in the Unit 3 reactor building, the circuit to energize the solenoid valve of the large S/C vent valve (AO valve) was off to be closed, so the vent line composition work was needed again. After the explosion, the workers except for the duty people of the Main Control Room evacuated in the quake isolation building after interrupting all the work. It was impossible to resume the restoration work because of confirming the safety of workers and the situation on the spot.
    During this time, the D/W pressure was about 450 kPa abs to be kept stable under the pressure for venting.
    After the evacuation direction subsequent to the explosion was lifted, at around 16:00 on March 14, the opening operation of the large S/C vent valve (AO valve) was tried; but, at around 16:20 on March 14, the opening operation was not successful because of insufficient air from an air compressor. Because no reduction in the D/W pressure was shown, at around 18:35 on March14, the vent line restoration work was continued for not only the large S/C vent valve (AO valve) but also the small S/C vent valve (AO valve). At around 21:00 on March 14, the small S/C vent valve (AO valve) was opened slightly; it was considered that the vent line composition was complete except for the rupture disk.
    The D/W pressure was lower than the rupture disk working pressure (427 kPa gage) and the state of failure of venting continued for a while; but, at around 22:50 on March 14, the D/W pressure rose to exceed the maximum working pressure 427 kPa gage, so it was judged that the situation should fall under Article 15 of the Act on Special Measures Concerning Nuclear Emergency Preparedness (hereinafter referred to as the “Nuclear Emergency Act”) “unusual rise of the pressure in the PCV.”"
    by Peter 9/22/2011 12:06:39 PM

  • edano, and more: "While the D/W pressure had a tendency to rise, the S/C pressure was stable between about 300 and 400 kPa abs, so that a situation occurred in which the pressure in the D/W and that in the S/C were not homogenized. Because the pressure on the S/C side was lower than the rupture disk working pressure while the pressure on the D/W side was rising, it was decided that venting would be performed by opening the small D/W vent valve (AO valve). At 0:02 on March 15, the operation was performed to open the small D/W vent valve (AO valve) to once complete the vent line composition except for the rupture disk; it was confirmed that the small valve was closed several minutes later, ant the D/W pressure thereafter did not decline under about 750 kPa abs to be maintained stable at a high level.
    In such a situation, at around 6:00 to 6:10 on March 15, a large impulsive sound occurred. During the same time period, the pressure within the S/C indicated 0 MPa abs." We are nearing the climax!
    by Peter 9/22/2011 12:11:42 PM

  • @Peter seems like nothing worked :(
    by Edano 9/22/2011 12:11:51 PM

  • Oh no, the anti-climax:
    "At around 11:25 on March 15, the decline of the D/W pressure was confirmed. (730 kPa abs (7:20 on March15) → 155 kPa abs (11:25 on March15)). The cause for the decline of the D/W pressure is not clear." End of tepco account.
    by Peter 9/22/2011 12:13:50 PM

  • @Peter what ? "The cause for the decline of the D/W pressure is not clear." ???
    by Edano 9/22/2011 12:15:26 PM

  • @Edano , right many things did not work plus other complications like aftershocks delaying the work and relief systems destroyed by explosions.
    by Peter 9/22/2011 12:15:52 PM

  • @Edano , I tell you the finale is anti-climactic.
    by Peter 9/22/2011 12:16:46 PM

  • @Peter they lied iaea in the face by saying that the cause of the pressure drop is not clear.
    by Edano 9/22/2011 12:17:42 PM

  • I believe the cause is quite clear. Because they could not relieve the pressure from the wet well, the torus busted.
    by Peter 9/22/2011 12:18:35 PM

  • @Edano what is the penalty for lying to the IAEA? A stern look? No invitation to the dessert buffet?
    by lillymunster 9/22/2011 12:18:36 PM

  • @lillymunster i bet there is a second, not public report.
    by Edano 9/22/2011 12:19:19 PM

  • @Peter what I have been reading it can pretty much burst from over pressure. It is the path of least resistance.
    by lillymunster 9/22/2011 12:19:33 PM

  • @Edano internal to TEPCO?
    by lillymunster 9/22/2011 12:19:42 PM

  • i mean another report to iaea, secret and without lies.
    by Edano 9/22/2011 12:21:02 PM

  • @Edano kept on TEPCO's server so they didn't officially give it to the IAEA
    by lillymunster 9/22/2011 12:23:31 PM

  • mmmm
    by elainekirk 9/22/2011 12:23:49 PM

  • @lillymunster Zackly
    by RadioGuy 9/22/2011 12:26:31 PM

  • @RadioGuy that is how the NRC does it
    by lillymunster 9/22/2011 12:26:47 PM

  • the last tepco days really confused me. too much contradicting information. i can't say anymore what is news and what not.
    by Edano 9/22/2011 12:27:49 PM

  • it's time to hack tepco server. they hacked nearly every japanese company in the last weeks, why not tepco ?
    by Edano 9/22/2011 12:29:31 PM

  • Perhaps what may be unclear is the fact the rupture disk did not appear to give way. Therefore, there is an argument to be made that the pressure in the torus was not high enough to bust it. Yet it obviously did.
    by Peter 9/22/2011 12:32:32 PM

  • @Peter sudden rupture and failure?
    by lillymunster 9/22/2011 12:33:29 PM

  • Speaking of the www.tepco.co.jp server, I just saw this on their Japanese index page (Google translate):

    Private consultancy office for compensation for nuclear damage in general

    Fukushima nuclear power compensation consultation room ■ (Call Center) ■
     Phone number  0120-926-404  Sorry wrong number please note ※.
    by RadioGuy 9/22/2011 12:37:46 PM

  • Probably just an accident that they still have the wrong number listed for compensation claims...
    by RadioGuy 9/22/2011 12:38:28 PM

  • the pressure in torus was 750 kPa, seven atmospheres, all day long on march 15 until explosion. design limit is 500 kPa.
    by Edano 9/22/2011 12:39:58 PM

  • Now, tell me. If it were you writing that, and you knew the number was wrong, because you have the right one, wouldn't you just correct it? The explanation was longer.
    by RadioGuy 9/22/2011 12:40:30 PM

  • the rupture disk should open on 427 kPa.
    by Edano 9/22/2011 12:41:24 PM

  • @Edano
    by RadioGuy 9/22/2011 12:42:02 PM

  • heh...oops... that was going to be:

    "it's beyond expectations that the rupture disk would fail, too."
    by RadioGuy 9/22/2011 12:43:06 PM

  • so, why did the rupture disk fail, eh ? direct quake damage ?
    by Edano 9/22/2011 12:44:50 PM

  • and is there only one rupture disk ?
    by Edano 9/22/2011 12:45:36 PM

  • I would assume there would be a rupture disk in each vent pipe? It seems very odd that it would hold with almost double it's failure pressure.
    by lillymunster 9/22/2011 12:47:20 PM

  • maybe they saved money and left the rupture disk away. it is so unlikely that they all (if there are more than one) fail.
    by Edano 9/22/2011 12:50:13 PM

  • Another failure for TEPCO, and it appears, the industry at large: Disaster safely backups apparently uninspected because they believed their own "nuclear is so safe we'll never need these backup safeguards" rhetoric.
    by RadioGuy 9/22/2011 12:56:12 PM

  • @Edano maybe corium burned through rather than the rupture disk. Only having one spot open up could cause a huge burst of pressure in one spot and could easily blow a hole in the torus or suppression chamber basement.
    by lillymunster 9/22/2011 12:56:37 PM

  • @Edano , in that case the hardened vent valves did not open enough to expose the rupture disk to the full pressure.
    by Peter 9/22/2011 12:57:23 PM

  • @lillymunster Under pressure, the corium would only need to thin the wall, not necessarily rupture it.
    by RadioGuy 9/22/2011 12:57:34 PM

  • @lillymunster didn't you say that the hole is in the top part of the torus ?
    by Edano 9/22/2011 12:58:19 PM

  • @RadioGuy what were the temps in that area (minus corium)? Really high heat will cause the steel of the torus structures to be more prone to failure.
    by lillymunster 9/22/2011 12:58:32 PM

  • @Edano I don't know if they stated a location?
    by lillymunster 9/22/2011 12:58:49 PM

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