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  • didnt find any yet, have to look...
    by skibboy 10/2/2011 2:48:55 AM

  • @lillymunster Has there been any data releases lately that would speak to this type of environmental monitoring? It seems like GreenPeace is focusing on the ocean...
    by smoss 10/2/2011 2:50:32 AM

  • site of the high rad debris in this pic www.tepco.co.jp (I believe after a long search in google earth)

    by elainekirk 10/2/2011 2:57:08 AM

  • @elainekirk, though I don't think that's the site of the apparent steam patch at the edge of a parking lot. That lot is NNE from the spot you point to. That more easterly lot as the same triangled shape as seen in the new Tepco photos.
    by Ian 10/2/2011 3:00:26 AM

  • @Ian I didnt think it would be there I was guessing way out but when I went to ground level it has the markings the white building in the trees and the clincher for me the right view of the sea barrier/jetty whatever you call them that you can see in the pics
    by elainekirk 10/2/2011 3:05:30 AM

  • @Ian in the Japanese version they talk of it being in the grass something , the English says main admin so I just crawled around till I got the right view of the sea with floor markings, trees and a white building of sorts
    by elainekirk 10/2/2011 3:07:43 AM

  • way past my bedtime gonna go to sleeeeeeeeep g'night all
    by elainekirk 10/2/2011 3:09:18 AM

  • @elainekirk Good Night!
    by smoss 10/2/2011 3:18:15 AM

  • @all Saturday, October 1, 2011
    #Fukushima I Nuke Plant: March 15 6AM Explosion Was "Somewhere in the Plant", Not Near Reactor 4
    ex-skf.blogspot.com Interesting?!
    by smoss 10/2/2011 3:20:07 AM

  • by M.I.A. 10/2/2011 3:37:23 AM

  • by M.I.A. 10/2/2011 3:37:43 AM

  • Plutonium detected outside N-plant site www.yomiuri.co.jp
    by Mid Valley 10/2/2011 3:57:40 AM

  • by Ian 10/2/2011 4:59:02 AM

  • All radiation gone, all safe, return to your homes, humans are now radiation proof!

    by Ian 10/2/2011 5:32:57 AM

  • www.yomiuri.co.jp Evacuation for so long causes health problems. So how would you compare health problems of staying put and dealing with low level radiation vs. the long complete evacuation just in case Khalili is right in that no unusual cancer deaths resulted from Chernobyl and Busby is wrong when he says 1M deaths resulted from radiation there?
    by artnuke 10/2/2011 5:55:35 AM

  • bump
    by Mid Valley 10/2/2011 7:06:31 AM

  • @hi. Can you please go back to the ads you had before on the top of the page? Now, it comes sometimes ads (game I think) with sound, which make me jump. And I would like to continue to always have your site up. :)
    by Mona 10/2/2011 10:46:33 AM

  • @Mona if you give your email addy we will add you (and anybody disturbed by ads) as writer(s) and you should then have an ad free site
    by elainekirk 10/2/2011 10:48:18 AM

  • rockhopper has sent a paper that is doing the rounds on twitter
    www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
    and also this tweet
    @ElaineKirk "Cases of anencephalic baby (and abortions due to it) have increased," on Twitter. Weight loss, thyroid problems... No panic.
    by elainekirk 10/2/2011 11:45:23 AM

  • @artnuke, it's obviously lack of compensation for losses that harms people health. The people who say radiation no longer causes cancer are cherry-picking data by omitting evidence consistent with traditional radio-biology so that compensation for radiation harm can be denied. Some of the cancer data they omit wrt Chernobyl can be found starting on page 28 here www.greenpeace.org
    by Ian 10/2/2011 12:01:24 PM

  • @Ian I have been thinking (not good I know) but it struck me that a man made hillock with an area that contained rubble from the vicinity of which there was steam may not mean the rubble was steaming , they had gone to the trouble of removing a few weeds from a crack in the ground , there is a hole nearby which looks rounded enough for a vent pipe to have been there at one time , if the steam was leaking from all the orifices and was only showing there because it was 'concentrated ' from having the rubble block its path?? I just wonder if it all adds up to fuel storage under the hillock and the weeding was to allow steam to disipate and prevent pressure build up as we can assume cracks elsewhere were weeded ,
    by elainekirk 10/2/2011 12:13:22 PM

  • good morning to all
    by dean 10/2/2011 12:13:57 PM

  • @dean morning dean making offee and showering :)
    by elainekirk 10/2/2011 12:14:29 PM

  • @elaine.. you are a life saver may I had 2 cups please
    by dean 10/2/2011 12:14:56 PM

  • @dean coming up
    by elainekirk 10/2/2011 12:15:07 PM

  • %(__).. ty
    by dean 10/2/2011 12:15:21 PM

  • morning dean
    by Edano 10/2/2011 12:17:02 PM

  • morning Edano, good seeing you
    by dean 10/2/2011 12:19:51 PM

  • @dean here is an interesting discussion about the high rad readings and corium movement: enenews.com in the comments section. i would like you to read it.
    (btw. our bobby1 is around there and his theory of west coast deaths) :)
    by Edano 10/2/2011 12:20:26 PM

  • reading now
    by dean 10/2/2011 12:20:52 PM

  • this is terrible busby needs stopping
    www.4u-detox.com
    www.4u-detox.com
    www.4u-detox.com
    by elainekirk 10/2/2011 12:26:39 PM

  • @elainekirk, what/where is the hillock?
    by Ian 10/2/2011 12:33:41 PM

  • @ Edano, lots of ideas presented there, many of which are just a comment. I have always believed to first trust your instrumentation until proven wrong. Even if the instrument has a glitch it still has some trends, we could get into the type of rad head, look at typical problems encountered when outside the design environmental conditions and make some theories for why its spiking at the same time we can assume it's real and try to go from there.
    by dean 10/2/2011 12:33:44 PM

  • @ Edano, the theory that we talked about and came to agreement on has the most credible logic in that the continuing after shocks, which there have been many, tends to upset the corium and when that happens or when the corium crust opens there is changing levels of radiation monitored.
    by dean 10/2/2011 12:39:31 PM

  • I have discussed that theory with analysts I know and they agree that its an area that needs to be further explored and studied... many of their models turn off the analysis when the corium seems to stabilize and now, they need to let the computer run longer and introduce shaking/movement from earthquakes
    by dean 10/2/2011 12:41:15 PM

  • @dean yes, i am glad to see it discussed, tho it is on a very low scientific level yet.
    by Edano 10/2/2011 12:43:55 PM

  • I wish i had the specifications for the rad instrument system, the particular instrument will have a range of different energy levels over which it is most sensitive and then the max range of the instrument, many remote instruments have a radiation source built in to the unit that can be activated remotely for calibration "calibration source' and it works by a plunger pushing the source out of a shielded container and next to the rad head, then calibration is performed.... so, may that source is activating too
    by dean 10/2/2011 12:44:30 PM

  • i would like to know if the radmeter itself can produce wrong data on shaking. i see no chance for that, i assume it is an ionisation chamber that is immune against movements, and there are no mechanical parts. but in the electronic section, there might be a cable problem.
    by Edano 10/2/2011 12:47:26 PM

  • the spec on the instrument does have environmental parameters over which it must remain operational... i thought lilly had found something on the post accident monitoring system to see what they are.. I'm searching for some leads too
    by dean 10/2/2011 12:50:12 PM

  • which could have been fixed by tepco.
    by Edano 10/2/2011 12:50:17 PM

  • the cable problem I think would be able to be singled out by having the instrumenation technicial check the circuit at a panel
    by dean 10/2/2011 12:51:10 PM

  • technician* spelling bad today .. whewwww
    by dean 10/2/2011 12:51:23 PM

  • www-naweb.iaea.org this may be a good read, it has the curve for outputs on a gas filled detector
    by dean 10/2/2011 12:52:42 PM

  • the curve lines are for different enegy level isotopes to see how the voltage applied to the chamber affects the output
    by dean 10/2/2011 12:53:40 PM

  • most modern systems have a calibration table they roll up next to the head and then they expose a Cs source of known energy level and perform the calibration against that. plants with remote inaccessible heads have the remote calibration heads that either open a window to expose the calibration source or the plunger
    by dean 10/2/2011 12:56:08 PM

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