
the drywell B data went crazy in the morning of april 8, after a 7.1 aftershock. from march 16 to march 20 it showed zero, i guess that is the deeper reason why tepco marked it as "faulty". drywell A shows zero since april 8 until today, with some exceptions. a zero reading is indeed not plausible, i think.
by Edano 10/2/2011 1:00:35 PM


agree on the zero reading, unless there was some mechanism to fail the instrument, I've seen the instrument go through a failure mode and then read down scale... if the instrument is used for interlocks many times they want it to fail in the safe or conservative 'tripped" condition
by dean 10/2/2011 1:02:37 PM

Morning! The closest we have to sensor locations so far is the outline drawing on Edano's charts. I found a different one but didn't show in much more detail.
I remember early on various sensors getting flagged as faulty but they only replaced some of the drywell ones they had access to and later quit flagging others as faulty.
by lillymunster 10/2/2011 1:03:59 PM

alot of times the instrument voltage is very sensitive to the chamber function so if the power fluctuated that could have caused some changes... the data tho still clearly shows rad level changes and magnitued
by dean 10/2/2011 1:04:04 PM

morning @lily..we're having a rad instrument class today lol
by dean 10/2/2011 1:04:28 PM

yees, there maybe a "failure mode" that explains zero readings.
by Edano 10/2/2011 1:06:20 PM

the drywell B reading in #2 shows very low readings around august 12. 0.00207 and 0.00218 Sv/hr readings, which shows the instrument has a wide sensitivity range.
by Edano 10/2/2011 1:08:41 PM


@dean I have a few links collected that talked about sensor types and details on them that people had found. I have some in a notepad file and some are in the group library on the website. They were mostly about the types used. There was one page that listed some gauge types maybe from another reactor?
by lillymunster 10/2/2011 1:09:09 PM

but it could be a different instrument. tho i would expect they equip all the plants with the newest instruments, if there are better ones available.
by Edano 10/2/2011 1:10:31 PM

@lillymunster they only exchanged pressure gauges. maybe the other instruments are not accessible (which would be a design flaw, imo).
by Edano 10/2/2011 1:13:13 PM

@Edano remember this is TEPCO. Parts of the control room are original. We have seen photos of gauges and equipment that is original equipment and very antiquated. They might have upgraded sensors, maybe not. I would assume those things wear out over time?
by lillymunster 10/2/2011 1:15:36 PM

I think for now I go along with Edano's observations... we could possibly explain some reasons why these types of instruments may act have sporadic heart seizures and look at the environmental conditions but I'm going with Edano
by dean 10/2/2011 1:15:37 PM

the reactor control room etc looks so familiar to the types of control knobs switches, indicators etc that were in place when I started,, I was amazed that they still had the original control room with out upgrades
by dean 10/2/2011 1:17:00 PM

@dean the behavior in #1 reminds me of that video of corium behavior I found a few weeks ago. It would calm down then erupt again with great violence. Since it is known to some extent that shaking it would foster one of those reactions it seems logical. It is too bad this is a piece of missing knowledge in the computer models and research.
by lillymunster 10/2/2011 1:17:50 PM

@lillymunster yes, this is tepco, so the radmeters could still be vintage, and they might be different in all reactors. stupid, but possible.
by Edano 10/2/2011 1:18:28 PM

were any of the changes noticable about the time the typhoon rolled in and rained like crazy?
by dean 10/2/2011 1:20:22 PM

@dean now that you ask, this is #1 data during typhoon:
9/21 23:00,,,,-,,,,,,,"台風のためデータ採取せず ; "Without collecting data for typhoon".
i wanted to mark it in the plots, but didn't do it yet.
by Edano 10/2/2011 1:22:55 PM

so, no readings during typhoon. okay, they were evacuated, but i would expect some computer collecting data independently. but this is tepco. they seem to do it by hand.
by Edano 10/2/2011 1:24:03 PM

@Edano unit 1 could be different than 2-3 due to the age of construction. It seems like the knowledge and technology when 1 was built is quite different in many ways than when they built 2-4. So I could see some differences with 1 if they didn't upgrade.
by lillymunster 10/2/2011 1:24:54 PM

by dean 10/2/2011 1:25:45 PM

the other readings around the typhoon are low, quite normal.
by Edano 10/2/2011 1:27:12 PM

70% of evacuees have health & financial problems
www.yomiuri.co.jpby lillymunster 10/2/2011 1:29:54 PM

there's nothing wrong with old equipment. it is a good idea to keep things simple. an old car is easier to repair than a modern one. but if there are better tires available for the car, you should upgrade.
by Edano 10/2/2011 1:30:49 PM

therefore i understand that they don't use touchscreens in the control room, but as far as i remember, i didn't even see a computer monitor in there.
by Edano 10/2/2011 1:32:01 PM

@ Edano, I suspect that they did an upgrade in safety instrumenation going from a 1/1 system to a 2:3 logic system which allows they to say as long as 2 of the 3 instruments are in service they can operate. that single modification safes alot of unplanned shutdowns from 1 faulty instrument.
by dean 10/2/2011 1:36:22 PM

@Edano they have CRT monitors at the desks in the control room and those have been upgraded. There are earlier images of huge old terminal CRT screen units in photos of the 80's. Newer photos showed PC type computers at the desks. Those though looked about a decade old.
by lillymunster 10/2/2011 1:36:55 PM


upload.wikimedia.org tepco at work
reminding me of a 60s german science fiction series "Raumpatrouille Orion". very cool. plastic cups, coathangers and flatirons. :)

lol good find @ Edano
by dean 10/2/2011 1:40:24 PM

@ lilly I am going to post a few links for videos on radiation and affects on DNA for viewing pleasure
by dean 10/2/2011 1:41:02 PM

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by dean 10/2/2011 1:43:22 PM

@dean are all those videos on radiation/dna? I can't watch them right now but wanted to add them to the library
by lillymunster 10/2/2011 1:46:06 PM

radiation @ lilly.. I'll put a couple of the DNA ones up then I have to leave for awhile
by dean 10/2/2011 1:46:48 PM

@Edano old photos of the control rooms at Fuku remind me of the old Godzilla movies. The control panels even down to the paint color is identical to the typical scenes in those movies.
by lillymunster 10/2/2011 1:47:20 PM

by dean 10/2/2011 1:53:33 PM

time for me to head out for awhile.. will return.. enjoy the day to all
by dean 10/2/2011 1:53:50 PM

TEPCO finds own nuclear accident manual uselessTOKYO, Oct. 2, Kyodo
A draft of a Tokyo Electric Power Co. in-house report showed Sunday that the utility has found its own emergency manual was useless for handling the crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, while also repudiating the widely held belief that a hydrogen explosion might have occurred at the plant's No. 2 reactor.
The report, to be finalized in mid-October for submission to the government, maintains the utility's account that an unexpectedly large tsunami was the fundamental cause of the crisis and calls for steps to prevent flooding of reactor buildings as a top priority.
Although the report is being compiled by a committee of company employees from other sections to verify the claims of colleagues in the utility's nuclear sections, the report simply accepts the latter's account regarding the cause of the disaster.
english.kyodonews.jp by Edano 10/2/2011 2:41:34 PM

that gave me today's biggest laugh !
by Edano 10/2/2011 2:43:14 PM

the bad bad godzilla tsunami .....
by Edano 10/2/2011 2:43:55 PM

Support rating for Noda Cabinet falls to 54%TOKYO, Oct. 2, Kyodo
The public support rating for Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda's Cabinet has fallen to 54.6 percent, down from 62.8 percent soon after it was launched on Sept. 2, a Kyodo News weekend poll showed Sunday.
The weekend telephone poll, which received responses from 1,012 households with eligible voters, also showed the public is split over a plan to raise taxes to finance reconstruction in areas affected by the March 11 earthquake and tsunami, with 50.5 percent opposing the plan and 46.2 percent in favor.
The Cabinet disapproval rating stood at 27.8 percent, up 9.7 points.
english.kyodonews.jp by Edano 10/2/2011 2:44:46 PM

Incumbent beats antinuclear rival in Hokkaido mayoral electionSAPPORO, Oct. 2, Kyodo
english.kyodonews.jp by Edano 10/2/2011 2:46:14 PM