Japan Earthquake

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by Liz 10/2/2011 6:25:13 PM

@Liz oh that would hve weakened my bladder
by elainekirk 10/2/2011 6:46:17 PM

quick drive by. Grabbed Elaine's seismic links. Will try to get them into the library today. Feeling like a truck ran me over and a pile of laundry looking at me. Will check in periodically. If there is a doc or a news story that needs my doing please make sure I see it.
by lillymunster 10/2/2011 7:27:12 PM

@lillymunster ok I havent checked the official sites for releases yet so will do that
by elainekirk 10/2/2011 7:28:41 PM

unit 1 seismic for piping docs.google.com
by elainekirk 10/2/2011 8:54:11 PM

readings outside the 20km zone... looking
at them you would think they would be evacuating not moving people back in radioactivity.mext.go.jp
by elainekirk 10/2/2011 9:04:40 PM

www.yomiuri.co.jp Link to that big report does not work, is it the same "draft" that's in this article. Remarkable that 2008 Tepco had reports predicting 9 and 16 meter tsunami, but said it was "impossible" to predict the size of the 2011 tsunami as the best "scientific" figure was the 2002 5.7 meter figure. Also says that the boom was probably just unit 4, not unit 2 explosion, and that stories that workers popped out the massive blow-out panel are false, it popped out after the unit 1 explosion. Do we have photos that show this? Seems too big for people to pop out anyways, wouldn't a panel like that weigh as much as a good sized car or truck??
by artnuke 10/2/2011 9:04:42 PM

@artnuke I think they have panels that open to get equiment in and out of the higher levels
by elainekirk 10/2/2011 9:08:13 PM

@artnuke we have photos and video of the panels being removed. I think there are only certain ones on each building. They have huge latches. There is a photo in here that shows the yellow/beige triangle bracket the panel locks to
houseoffoust.com
This shows the panel itself and what looks like a removable framework and pins houseoffoust.com
by lillymunster 10/2/2011 9:12:28 PM

Funny they put units as u(micro)sv in the chart per hour, but the smiley face friendly danger chart at the bottom is in usv per YEAR. I see a range from 0.2 up to 20. On a per HOUR basis, you aren't supposed to be worried below 100 msv and it takes 400 to actually get sick. But on the annual basis, the high number is up against the limit for emergency workers trying to stop a fatal disaster. The low number is above the Japanese limit but below the global average if my math is correct. radioactivity.mext.go.jp
radiation levels from
limit emergency work 250,000 /yr
hi 20 usv/hr * 8760 hr/yr = 175,200 /yr
Futaba county Namie town Akougi Kutsukubo
disaster prevention 50,000 /yr
Guarapari Brazil 10,000 /yr
Natural dose global avg 2,400 /yr
lo -0.2 usv/hr = 1,800 /yr
dose limit for public 1,000 /yr
by artnuke 10/2/2011 9:21:13 PM

houseoffoust.com Good catch, but look at the size of the catwalk. No way 1 or even 4 guys would be able to kick that panel out. The way the thing is mounted, I don't even think any crane on that floor would be able to push it out as they can only lift, or craziest case pull something IN. So where is that panel? It should have fallen on the ground where it should be able to be spotted on a google earth photo. Units 3 and 4 have concrete wall panels that pretty much shattered, some taking the concrete pillars out with them. Probably because they figured Japan didn't have too many tornados.
by artnuke via Houseoffoust 10/2/2011 9:26:33 PM

www.tepco.co.jp I missed this picture, yup the panel is down on the ground, but it feels more likely some sort of pressure INSIDE would pop out the panel than something outside. It doesn't look like people carefully removed anything, or that any number of guys would be strong enough to pop the panel out by kicking it with their boots or pushing out with hands.
by artnuke via Tepco.co.jp 10/2/2011 9:31:02 PM

Anybody out there has tried to make or know of a good off-the-shelf model of the Fukushima reactors with interior parts? I played around with google sketchup but didn't get very far. Should be simple to just map those bluprints onto a box. There are simple models of the exterior that could be used as a start.
by artnuke 10/2/2011 9:33:50 PM

I think the panel was knocked out either by 3's blast or internal pressure in 2. I doubt #2 was a likely culprit since inside 2 is all nice and neat on the work floor. The temporary barrier panels are still around the reactor well. Any big blast would have bent or knocked those over or at least pulled the colored fabric off. IIRC the hole was reported after #3's blast and ascribed to that.
by lillymunster 10/2/2011 9:41:46 PM

Fukushima prefecture is out of money. www.yomiuri.co.jp
by lillymunster 10/2/2011 9:43:23 PM

on teppycam, you can see thru the magic curtains.
by Edano 10/2/2011 9:55:59 PM

as to the panel, you can see the following:
1 an electrical switch
2 hooks
3a+b a safety chain.
so the panel was probably removed on purpose by hitting the switch.
by Edano 10/2/2011 9:58:03 PM

@Edano prety teppy
by elainekirk 10/2/2011 10:00:24 PM

@Edano you can hardly see crane moving through the haze from that unit
by elainekirk 10/2/2011 10:08:40 PM

farm7.static.flickr.com Digital Globe shows panel was blown out by 13th before explosion in #3. You can see little patch of blue that is panel on ground. Electrical switch??? I thought the power was out. That thing has to be 7 or 8 feet high by 10-12 feet long, it would take 3 or 4 guys to carry that thing. Looks like the barriers were already there when it fell on them.
by artnuke via Farm7.static.flickr 10/2/2011 10:09:13 PM

@artnuke i thought #3 had 2 explosions
by elainekirk 10/2/2011 10:10:05 PM

I was just able to return to the comp for a moment. Edano, Uwe Barschel! I was living in Lausanne, when he was murdered. The Swiss clearly botched the forensics on the case. Perhaps, they still have got a hair, ;) Elaine, thanks on the seismic links. I shall follow up.
by Peter 10/2/2011 10:10:13 PM

@Peter pleasure love googling
by elainekirk 10/2/2011 10:11:05 PM

@artnuke i forgot there was no power. but maybe the panel fell out when power was lost. :) there is definitely a switch and i don't think it is for the light.
by Edano 10/2/2011 10:12:25 PM

@artnuke we have the logs for those days or at least they are on the net
by elainekirk 10/2/2011 10:13:32 PM

blow by blow of events as tepco describe them www.tepco.co.jp
by elainekirk 10/2/2011 10:19:38 PM

Gov't panel to submit report on TEPCO finance

A government panel will present a report calling on Tokyo Electric Power Company to review its costs before it considers raising utility fees.

The report will be submitted to Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda on Monday. The advisory panel has been investigating the financial situation of the company to ensure the company is able to pay compensation to victims of the Fukushima nuclear disaster.

The report will ask the company to cut its costs by about 9 billion dollars. The cost cutting includes sales of TEPCO assets.

The report will also ask the company to review its high cost structure, pricing system, and the way the system is managed, before considering a possible hike in utility fees.

The company may be forced to raise utility fees, if it continues to have financial difficulties from April 2012 onward.

After the submission of the report to the government, a business program for TEPCO will be drafted. The company will have to follow the program if it is to receive financial assistance from the government.

This will lay the groundwork to ensure TEPCO can make compensation payments to the victims of the Fukushima nuclear disaster.

Monday, October 03, 2011 05:39 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp
by Edano 10/2/2011 11:25:46 PM

@Edano it all sounds jolly good doesn't it..... on paper

by elainekirk 10/2/2011 11:27:56 PM

is that the dust sampler dangling from the crane?
by elainekirk 10/2/2011 11:39:45 PM

by elainekirk via Nicholsoncartoons.au 10/2/2011 11:44:16 PM

@elainekirk good cartoon :)
by Edano 10/3/2011 12:02:05 AM

@Edano yup I like to see people cock-a-snook at those who like to think themselves the overseers
by elainekirk 10/3/2011 12:13:23 AM

@Edano lovely sunny day and unit 1 is cloaked in filthy haze?
by elainekirk 10/3/2011 12:17:20 AM

Can anyone make sense out of this? Posted today and some babble about fuel being in the RPVs and how it would reheat and cause problems if they lost water pumping ability. ajw.asahi.com
by lillymunster 10/3/2011 12:43:05 AM

@lillymunster just looking
by elainekirk 10/3/2011 12:48:28 AM

vimeo.com
by Ian 10/3/2011 12:49:36 AM

New Arnie!
by Ian 10/3/2011 12:49:50 AM

TEPCO wants to tell us that the molten fuel is still on the ground of RPVS and that they have everything under control up to 38 hrs, if there should be another quake or tsunami...
by skibboy 10/3/2011 12:50:12 AM

@lillymunster I reckon that they have been asked to put forward a plan of how they would cope in event of another big quake I think the request was made in June so this will be leading up to repoert coming out
by elainekirk 10/3/2011 12:51:14 AM

@lillymunster last post..
by skibboy 10/3/2011 12:51:14 AM

there is no word about fuel in rpv.
by Edano 10/3/2011 12:53:36 AM

@lillymunster thoughthow they reckon fuel ain't melting now is beyond me.
The thing just looks like a slow trickle starting of bits of info which are geared to make the papers appear they are speculating that'll be why they have been careful to quote tepco but tepco know full well that when the full report is published it will not make a splash because of the drip drip leaks....tepco the experts at letting things slowly melt away
by elainekirk 10/3/2011 12:54:20 AM

This part:
In 38 to 50 hours, nuclear fuel will melt again, as it did in three reactors at the crippled plant, and fuel accumulated at the bottom of the pressure vessels will leak into the outer containment vessels.
by lillymunster 10/3/2011 12:56:50 AM