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  • @Liz from what worshiper posted it is the plant built for a German reactor that they slapped a different type of Russian reactor into. People are worried about the bad building process and lack of oversight. The plant also sits at the convergence of 3 fault lines
    by lillymunster 10/7/2011 8:36:32 PM

  • Someone had an article this spring that talked about the concerns of 3rd world countries running reactors or despotic governments being in charge of one. The things they pointed out were lack of infrastructure. Many countries lacked wide paved roads able to get emergency equipment into the sites post disaster. They also asked what would happen if there was a major accident like fuku in a small country run by an abusive government or a dictator? These are good questions. But there is also the argument why can we have these things yet deny them to others. The international system is a failure. We had a chance to set fair universal standards and never did it.
    by lillymunster 10/7/2011 8:43:38 PM

  • docs.google.com
    Interesting doc I found whilst searching the Iranian npp
    by elainekirk 10/7/2011 8:51:53 PM

  • Has Peter been on today
    by elainekirk 10/7/2011 8:52:52 PM

  • How right you are @lillymunster the other problem is the social unrest in that part of the world and bunkerbuster bombs go thru everything www.youtube.com
    by Liz 10/7/2011 8:53:01 PM

  • Good nite @ all its getting late in my part of the world!
    by Liz 10/7/2011 8:55:18 PM

  • @Liz that is a big worry of mine that Israel might decide it is a problem and be stupid enough to drop bombs on it. I would hope not but stranger things have happened.
    by lillymunster 10/7/2011 9:01:57 PM

  • They love to paint the picture of the big nuke family don't they but looking at this 2000 iaea doc
    "
    f. Concern about the absence of U.S. presence at the IAEA's meetings on
    "Innovative Reactors."
    g. Indications that Russia's efforts to complete the Bushehr reactor in Iran are
    plagued with severe safety considerations as witnessed by periodic visits by
    IAEA experts. " pbadupws.nrc.gov
    by elainekirk 10/7/2011 9:27:36 PM

  • ............... 3%-enriched uranium fuel produced by Eurodif. In September 1986 France and Iran were near
    agreement on their dispute over the Eurodif enrichment plant. Iran wanted repayment of a US$1 billion
    loan to France's CEA for Iran's participation in Eurodif, France wanted compensation for the enrichment
    services allotted to Iran. The settiemeat with France might have included French participation in Iran's
    partially completed Bushehr nuclear units.190 In 1991, the International Commerce Commission ruled that
    France must repay the loan and that Iran would keep a small share of Euradif, but France stated that it
    would not sell enriched uranium to Iran.'......... pbadupws.nrc.gov
    by elainekirk 10/7/2011 9:45:05 PM

  • Bushehr is fantastic as an example of why people should question what they are being told about fuku because so many govs and comps have secrets in their closets that they can be manipulated with that nuke will never ever be safe
    by elainekirk 10/7/2011 9:47:10 PM

  • 2009 .....Russia (with the eventual acqui-escence of Washington) supplied fuel for the Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant in winter ŬŪŪűȮŪ8 even though Iran had been found to be in non-compliance with its non-proliferation obligations. .... webcache.googleusercontent.com
    by elainekirk 10/7/2011 10:04:56 PM

  • @elainekirk "nuke will never ever be safe" can be misleading. We should specify that fission nuclear power will never be safe. Fusion nuclear power, on the other hand and although still in the early stage of development, is as safe as energy production can be.
    by Pedro Jesus 10/8/2011 12:03:13 AM

  • The NRC Fukushima documents single big document is available as a zip file for download now. houseoffoust.com
    by lillymunster 10/8/2011 12:10:48 AM

  • Has anyone seen an official complete Fuku evacuation-zone map? Some maps www.youtube.com show what seems to be an extended evac-zone to the NW, reported on Apr 22 www.washingtonpost.com . And yet every map issued by Mext I've seen only shows circular zones at 20 and 30km with no hint of an extended NW evac-zone. ??
    by Ian 10/8/2011 12:20:22 AM

  • Here's a short review of a 2011 study I posted a day or two ago : www.springer.com
    by Ian 10/8/2011 12:23:15 AM

  • @Ian I don't know if I have seen a map with the evac blocked out. I have seen maps that show the high radation streak going NW to the area they evacuated.
    by lillymunster 10/8/2011 12:23:18 AM

  • @Ian i wil have a look
    by elainekirk 10/8/2011 12:25:26 AM

  • @lilly - hello
    Again I collected your live-blogging and turned it round like the last time. I had to leave at 6..pm and only returned an hour ago to do it.
    Are you interested that I post it again as a whole for you to copy (here or on the other board) ?
    btw ~ great work :)
    by Vivre 10/8/2011 12:29:31 AM

  • @Vivre thanks and yes please. :-)
    by lillymunster 10/8/2011 12:29:51 AM

  • Vivre - Grabbed it out of the mods cue. Copying to group web page, will have the url in a minute
    by lillymunster 10/8/2011 12:35:36 AM

  • ok :)
    It's a bit longer 'cos there where some important infos following the blogging (links, adresses) so I added them to have it together. The main part is between the '***'-lines.
    by Vivre 10/8/2011 12:36:49 AM

  • @Ian August 3rd map of evac areas www.meti.go.jp
    by elainekirk 10/8/2011 12:37:29 AM

  • @elainekirk @lillymunster, here's one non-official map showing the evac extension : thecoloradocoalition.org I'd like to get it on a solid map.
    by Ian 10/8/2011 12:37:40 AM

  • Live blog transcript collected by Vivre posted on the group site here: houseoffoust.com
    by lillymunster 10/8/2011 12:38:34 AM

  • @elainekirk, you're a miracle worker! Thanks, perfect!
    by Ian 10/8/2011 12:38:48 AM

  • @Ian september 30th www.meti.go.jp
    by elainekirk 10/8/2011 12:38:59 AM

  • @Ian Elaine's METI maps are what I understood it to be. The media hasn't been showing that
    by lillymunster 10/8/2011 12:39:42 AM

  • @Ian - now that your there - I just wanted to thank you for regarding and supporting the allegedlyapparent blog-side (http://allegedlyapparent.wordpress.com/2011/09/30/extended-fukushima-fallout-maps-sept-29-mext-release-fukushima-vs-chernobyl-2/)

    and letting you know that your BBC-debunked vid has been uploaded without any hint to the originator - which I find at least impolite and I wondered if it's fine for you or if you'd mind - www.youtube.com
    by Vivre 10/8/2011 12:45:18 AM

  • Check out this chilling study of children who were neonates in Pripyat when Chernobyl exploded neuro.psychiatryonline.org (Loganovsky et al.) Pripyat was evacuated, and from what I can find, the Chernobyl evacuation was completed in just three days www.yourdiscovery.com whereas it took weeks to complete the Fukushima evacuation www.washingtonpost.com . So the findings of Loganovsky et al. may extrapolate to children who were neonates in evacuated (or even non-evacuated) regions of Fukushima.
    by Ian 10/8/2011 12:48:40 AM

  • Last transmission - it's so early over here (nearly 3am) and had a wonderful long evening out. Been to a school-theatre watching 'My Little Horror Shop' - and like to retire with the impression of blood-sucking plants taking over the planet :lol:
    ~ good time to you and some fun on the way ~
    by Vivre 10/8/2011 12:54:31 AM

  • @Vivre g'night sleep well
    by elainekirk 10/8/2011 12:58:34 AM

  • are these unit 3 air readings a bit higher than tepco usually tell us they are www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 10/8/2011 1:06:02 AM

  • Since we are talking about releases, here this from the goj update to IAEA, p II-391:
    "The measurement results of the concentration of radioactive materials in the atmosphere near the west gate of the NPS (1 km west of the reactor buildings) are now approximately 2×10e-6 Bq/cm3 each for cesium 134 and cesium 137 (cf. Figure II-4-2, Average measurement results in late July and early August). Ignoring radioactive materials previously released that settled on the ground but have been borne aloft once more, and supposing that all of the measurements are of the amount currently being released from the NPS, the release rate (the total of Units 1 to 3), after being divided by the above concentration of 1 Bq/second, is estimated to be approximately 2.9×10e4 Bq/second (approximately 200 million Bq/hour in total) each for cesium 134 and cesium 137."
    by Peter 10/8/2011 1:11:18 AM

  • tepco shut down KK's #7 sfp cooling and filtering whilst they stored a broken fuel rod in the sfp ??? why?? www.tepco.co.jp (Oct 07,2011)Cause and Countermeasure for the detection of iodine from the main exhaust stack of Unit 7, Kashiwazaki-Kariwa Nuclear Power Plant
    by elainekirk 10/8/2011 1:11:26 AM

  • @Peter it is just pouring out the world is governed by ostriches
    by elainekirk 10/8/2011 1:12:54 AM

  • @Peter have you seen the pin up top it is the link you needed for rockhoppers question
    by elainekirk 10/8/2011 1:13:29 AM

  • @elainekirk , yes I answered this morning (Friday Oct 7), unless there is a new question.
    by Peter 10/8/2011 1:15:45 AM


  • Fukushima [41] (distance from Fukushima I: 20 km) - Accumulated absorbed dose rate
    13 Mar 2011 00:00 - 08 Oct 2011 00:00 www-3.weatheronline.co.uk www.woweather.com
    by Majj 10/8/2011 1:16:50 AM

  • And on p II-393 we read:
    "....the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA) estimated the release amount to the atmosphere from Units 1 to 3 of Fukushima Dai-ichi NPS, by taking into consideration the amount of radioactive materials in the reactor core shortly after the accident initiation, and the total release amount to the atmosphere during approximately four days shortly after the accident initiation was estimated to be approximately 1.6×10e17 Bq for iodine 131, approximately 1.8×10e16Bq for cesium 134, and approximately 1.5×10e16Bq for cesium 137 [II-4-1]."
    by Peter 10/8/2011 1:17:10 AM

  • @Peter oh peter I didnt see sorry I will go find
    by elainekirk 10/8/2011 1:18:35 AM

  • Seven months after the nuclear crisis began at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi plant, the U.S. government again warned its citizens Friday to avoid areas near the stricken reactors.
    The U.S. State Department put out the travel alert -- which updates one issued about three months ago -- based on "additional data ... from Japanese authorities, allowing for a fuller assessment by U.S. government scientists."
    U.S. urges citizens to avoid area around stricken Japanese reactors.
    The alert recommends that U.S. citizens stay away from any place within 20 kilometers (12 miles) from the plant. They are also being told to stay away from territory northwest of the power facility in what Japan has described as the "Deliberate Evacuation Area" and includes Iitate-mura, the Yamagiya district of Kawamata-machi, Katsurao-mura, Namie-machi and parts of Minamisoma.
    Moreover, it advised all to abide by Japanese government recommendations on other spots to evacuate and urged U.S. citizens now within any evacuation zone to get out immediately. edition.cnn.com
    by Majj 10/8/2011 1:20:00 AM

  • @Peter the north anna transcripts I see you were looking for are locked it seems www.google.co.uk
    by elainekirk 10/8/2011 1:24:46 AM

  • Elaine, it must have been around nine EST. Hey and then they upped their estimates a bit on p II-394: "Also, as for the release on March 15, by taking into consideration the contribution to the air dose rate of tellurium-132 and its progeny nuclide, iodine-132, which were previously ignored, the estimated release rate of iodine-131 and cesium-137 decreased in relative terms. In this way it was possible to derive the estimated provisional calculation of approximately 1.3×10e17 Bq for iodine-131 and approximately 1.1×10e16 Bq for cesium-137 for the total release amount of radioactive iodine and cesium to the atmosphere from the Fukushima Dai-ichi NPS reactors from March 12 to April 5."
    by Peter 10/8/2011 1:24:49 AM

  • and, lastly for the rest of Spring/Summer on p II-394: "as of April 5, using inverse estimation from environmental monitoring data and so on, the total release amount over five months is estimated, despite uncertainties in the estimation, to be on the order of 10e15 Bq for iodine-131, which is less than a few percent of the total estimated release amount up until April 5 and within the scope of uncertainty of the estimates for the total estimated release amount up until April 5." And concluding on p II-394 goj notes: "while an estimation of the additional releaseamount through plant behavior analysis is difficult at the present time, the total release amounts of radioactive materials to date are thought to be around 1 to 2×10e17 Bq for iodine-131 and around 1 to 2×10e16 Bq for cesium-137 based on the results of inverse estimation with environmental monitoring data and so on."
    by Peter 10/8/2011 1:31:25 AM

  • @Peter got it Peter and sent it to rockhopper in email thankyou so much I had been out :) andd didnt track back far enough when I got back
    by elainekirk 10/8/2011 1:39:59 AM

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