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@Edano is the roof still on #1 silly me I couldnt see it for the fumes
by elainekirk 10/12/2011 12:00:12 AM

@Edano yes:) what is the pink thing near the camera
by elainekirk 10/12/2011 12:06:52 AM

@Edano you are quick! had you got that on your comp?
by elainekirk 10/12/2011 12:09:21 AM

@Edano, here's an article in The Lancet www.thelancet.com about Wertelecki, 2010 pediatrics.aappublications.org
by Ian 10/12/2011 12:13:01 AM

@Ian it is good that the who-iaea agreement on tchernobyl and low radiation effects gets punched.
by Edano 10/12/2011 12:16:14 AM

@Edano, there's a lot of open skepticism to condemnation of UN-related Chernobyl studies. There'
by Ian 10/12/2011 12:17:36 AM

uuh, even the UN is involved in that giants' marriage.
by Edano 10/12/2011 12:18:07 AM

(cont) ... there's and exchange in one journal I have where the fellow who had published a study downplaying Chernobyl admits in a debate of letters that the UN is downplaying Chernobyl. Many examples can be collected.
by Ian 10/12/2011 12:19:01 AM

radiophobia and radiation hormesis - two big laughs for me.
by Edano 10/12/2011 12:24:41 AM

Igor Pokanevych, head of the WHO office in the Ukraine, tells The Lancet: “The conclusions of the Chernobyl Forum study were based on the data collected in the Forum's studies. We found that there would likely be no major effects on birth defects. But our conclusions do not match those of Dr Wertelecki. We are not saying that he is wrong, or that he is right, just that our data was different to his and our conclusions were different. He perhaps had access to data that we did not.”
So WTF did they publish a report implying it to be authoritative
by elainekirk 10/12/2011 12:26:26 AM

@elainekirk, the spokesman from WHO is full of it, there are studies showing a fallout dose-response to mutations and genetic damage going back many years. He acts like that would be news to him, that Wertelecki 2010 is just some outlier study.
by Ian 10/12/2011 12:30:27 AM

nobody with intelligence makes a difference between the jews that died in gas chambers and those who starved in the ghettos or died of "nazi-phobia" or "concentration-camp-fears" or "evacuation stress" or alcoholism or suicide - they are all definitely victims of the nazis. amen. but they do that difference to the chernobyl and fuku victims. this is offending.
by Edano 10/12/2011 12:32:49 AM

@Edano Why did I not see this before! Your right. This is just a big game of blame the victim.
by lillymunster 10/12/2011 12:48:00 AM

@lillymunster they got us concentrating on exclusively radiation induced damages and they want us to undoubtedly prove it, but in reality they all count, the heart attacks and suicides, they are all victims. we should respect them all equally.
by Edano 10/12/2011 12:50:31 AM

@Edano, yet 'radiophobia' is an emerging thesis, that the neuropsychological correlations with Chernobyl-exposed subjects is a consequence of psychological stress inflicted by radiophobic worrywart safety policies and frightened the public into stress-induced illness. This underlies the sociopathic view that there should be no evacuations following nuclear accidents, and everyone told everything's okay, for their own good.
by Ian 10/12/2011 12:50:48 AM

without nukes no "radiophobia". never heard of "renewablephobia".
by Edano 10/12/2011 12:56:17 AM

@Ian This is political/business tactic rather than a medical/psych issue, the claim that policies create a phobia. Look at Mayak & the Kyshtym disaster. They did nothing to help the people. Then townspeople started getting sick and falling over dead and nobody knew why at first. Now THAT will cause you some stress
by lillymunster 10/12/2011 12:58:59 AM

Accusing someone of being a hypochondriac or a mental case is a very long used tactic of lawyers to harass and oppress plaintiffs.
by lillymunster 10/12/2011 1:00:26 AM

@lillymunster i agree. these newly invented diseases are part of the desinformation.
by Edano 10/12/2011 1:04:59 AM

confuse the people, then devide them and conquer.
by Edano 10/12/2011 1:05:55 AM

phobia is an irrational fear. but the fear of ionizing radiation is not unfounded. the use of the word "radiophobia" is imo wrong, misleading, offending and driven by an agenda.
by Edano 10/12/2011 1:12:32 AM

a person living near an exploded nuke surely has no "radiophobia", he has a well founded fear, he is certainly not phobic at all.
by Edano 10/12/2011 1:14:18 AM

@Edano over here its radon-phobia, not unfounded, until tested...
by skibboy 10/12/2011 1:15:31 AM

During Hanford and Mayak they were able to suppress information and manipulate the public due to the few media outlets and fewer types of communication. This changed with Chernobyl, everyone knew because of worldwide news. Since they can't bury it manipulate it
by lillymunster 10/12/2011 1:17:34 AM

It would be worth also looking at who is developing these "radiophobia" concepts and putting them out to the public.
by lillymunster 10/12/2011 1:28:04 AM

Radiophobia and Chernobyl

In the former Soviet Union many patients with radioactive sickness after the Chernobyl disaster were accused of radiophobia[citation needed]. The term "radiation phobia syndrome" was introduced in 1987 [8] by L. A. Ilyin and O. A. Pavlovsky in their report "Radiological consequences of the Chernobyl accident in the Soviet Union and measures taken to mitigate their impact,"[9]

The author of Chernobyl Poems Lyubov Sirota[10] wrote in her poem "Radiophobia":

Is this only - a fear of radiation?
Perhaps rather - a fear of wars?
Perhaps - the dread of betrayal,
Cowardice, stupidity, lawlessness?

The term has been criticized by Adolph Kharash, Science Director at the Moscow State University because, he writes, "It treats the normal impulse to self-protection, natural to everything living, your moral suffering, your anguish and your concern about the fate of your children, relatives and friends, and your own physical suffering and sickness as a result of delirium, of pathological perversion. en.wikipedia.org
by Edano 10/12/2011 1:31:00 AM

haha !

[9] ^ L. A. Ilyin and O. A. Pavlovsky,"Radiological consequences of the Chernobyl accident in the Soviet Union and measures taken to mitigate their impact" IAEA Bulletin 4/1987. www.iaea.org
by Edano 10/12/2011 1:32:10 AM