@ LILLY.. agree,, through the zeal of those governments involved the brilliant idea of fabrication of MOX to use in reactors would some how mysteriously reduce the cost of nuclear operation
by dean 10/28/2011 1:56:33 PM
@ all.. as I remember back before the nuclear power plant construction came to an abrupt halt, the whole process had become so very very expensive and vendors and other companies seemed to have a monopoly , there was alot of corruption etc.. now we are at the point where the resurgence is upon us and it will be a huge task to re-vamp the system from the ground up..
by dean 10/28/2011 1:59:11 PM
@dean are plants required to pay into a fund or bank in escrow the costs of decommissioning?
by lillymunster 10/28/2011 2:01:27 PM
@ lilly.. very nice on the link
by dean 10/28/2011 2:01:55 PM
@Liz Rancho Seco ran for quite a while, surprised they were never able to recoup costs.
by lillymunster 10/28/2011 2:03:21 PM
@ lilly.. I am not certain of the monetary amount but they do have to have some identifed.. usually as in the case of TMI it was a low amount because they were going to wait until all the TMI plants were shutdown to decommission.... remember UTILITY companies are there to make profits and.. as we have seen.. some utilities want to sell off those old plants before they need decommissioning.. which, is going to emerge to be a whole huge cost...
by dean 10/28/2011 2:04:46 PM
if a utility company goes bankrupt and they close the doors,,, i wonder what happens then
by dean 10/28/2011 2:05:13 PM
Liz pointed out one of the regulations but I'm not up on all of those that pose requirements to hold money aside etc.
by dean 10/28/2011 2:07:28 PM
quote from one article.. "There are other possible savings. For example, if used fuel is reprocessed and the recovered plutonium and uranium is used in mixed oxide (MOX) fuel, more energy can be extracted. The costs of achieving this are large, but are offset by MOX fuel not needing enrichment and particularly by the smaller amount of high-level wastes produced at the end. Seven UO2 fuel assemblies give rise to one MOX assembly plus some vitrified high-level waste, resulting in only about 35% of the volume, mass and cost of disposal. " world-nuclear org
by dean 10/28/2011 2:09:45 PM
@dean that is my worry. That LLC files bankruptcy and the multinational walks away scot free. Then we get left to deal with decommissioning the plant. If the power company isn't forced to bank decommissioning into some sort of escrow fund with the govt. then there is no guarantee the decommissioning will get done and paid for.
Selling off these plants late in the game could cause another problem if the new owner is starting over on saving for decommissioning or isn't required to. I would assume after the sale the original company could walk away with any money they might be required to hold for decommissioning.
by lillymunster 10/28/2011 2:10:04 PM
@lilly.. I don't think a utility company could operate if they had to put the total cost of decommissioning $ into escrow. needs researched to see what they are doing in that area
by dean 10/28/2011 2:12:57 PM
@dean right. what is the situation with decommissioning liability. I will see if I can find the actual agreement on US-Russia plutonium disposal.
by lillymunster 10/28/2011 2:14:19 PM
www.nytimes.com Nine months after the worst accident in the history of the Indian Point 2 nuclear plant, Consolidated Edison announced today that it had reached an agreement to sell the plant to a Mississippi company, signaling the end of the utility's historic role in the business of making electricity.
The sale of the plant -- Con Ed's last major power-generating unit -- to Entergy Nuclear, of Jackson, Miss., for $602 million, was not a surprise, though the timing did catch a few people off guard.
by dean 10/28/2011 2:18:23 PM
this was back in 2000..
by dean 10/28/2011 2:18:34 PM
en.wikipedia.org on proliferation
by dean 10/28/2011 2:20:33 PM
en.wikipedia.org nuclear proliferation
by dean 10/28/2011 2:21:59 PM
en.wikipedia.org global initiative to combat nuclear terrorism
by dean 10/28/2011 2:23:42 PM
@Liz I wasn't aware it had all those shutdowns. That would do it. :-)
by lillymunster 10/28/2011 2:31:50 PM
Current fuku releases combined 74% of chernobyl
by lillymunster 10/28/2011 2:33:36 PM
be safe @ LIZ
by dean 10/28/2011 2:38:41 PM
I must head out.. ty all for the morning
by dean 10/28/2011 2:38:55 PM
I must run also. Should be back later this afternoon and will get more news stories compiled.
by lillymunster 10/28/2011 2:40:14 PM
back for a bit
by dean 10/28/2011 4:26:10 PM
@VesaVA thank you!
by elainekirk 10/28/2011 4:35:03 PM
@Ian. The numbers used are cited from the articles linked to. Those cite sources. Those numbers are cesium 137 only. Does not include things like xenon iirc xenon is what was 2.5 times chernobyl. That also does not account for plutonium and other things in the mix. It would be great to get full panels of releases so we could comapare all of it. I am really curious about the plutonium ratios btwn the two
by lillymunster 10/28/2011 4:58:37 PM
High levels of radiation detected in Tokyo, link to Fukushima unlikelyTOKYO, Oct. 29, Kyodo
english.kyodonews.jp by Edano 10/28/2011 5:06:03 PM
BACK FOR A BIT.. hi to all
by dean 10/28/2011 5:12:59 PM
"The Czech Republic submitted a seven page report on its six reactors, compared to Slovenia’s 177 page report on its single reactor."
www.greenpeace.orgby Edano 10/28/2011 5:13:12 PM
@Edano laughable isnt it
by elainekirk 10/28/2011 5:16:40 PM
www.ensreg.eu @ all.. I think we will see the multiple implementation of "stress test"... each needs to be evaulate
by dean 10/28/2011 5:22:17 PM
@elainekirk they are out of any control, they lie and decieve and laugh at us.
by Edano 10/28/2011 5:22:59 PM
@ Edano.. some times these regulators use the old phrase "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance,,, baffle them with b**
*s***
by dean 10/28/2011 5:24:26 PM
tokai village 27/28 october hourly readings at 3 seperate points
radioactivity.mext.go.jpby elainekirk 10/28/2011 5:25:59 PM
@dean impudence
by Edano 10/28/2011 5:28:21 PM
"No European nuclear plant can withstand impact from a Boeing 767 sized aircraft, the same used by terrorists on 9/11. Stress tests pledged to examine such crashes, but did not."
maps.google.comby Edano 10/28/2011 5:31:08 PM
Edano have you seen the video of a jet crashing at speed into a simulated commercial plant wall?
by dean 10/28/2011 5:32:57 PM
@elaine.. DIFFERENCES IN STRESS TESTS... would be a good search.. comparing what countries conducting the testing are doing and even utility companies within countries .. they are not all the same
by dean 10/28/2011 5:34:30 PM
@dean no
by Edano 10/28/2011 5:34:48 PM
There are plants that have to be scrapped before they bring in enough to pay for the construction costs. California had Bodega Bay, Humbolt Bay and Rancho Seco. The cost from their construction, can that be a tax write off?
In Setagaya, Tokyo, ward mayor held an emergency press conference at 10PM, 10/28/2011.
@lillymunster, who gives the 75% figure? What about the recent study that says the radioactive noble gas release from Fuku is 2.5x that from Chernobyl? www.atmos-chem-phys-discuss.net A countervailing factor may be that Chernobyl released far more heavy fuel isotopes, not just noble gasse. However, I think Cs137 was also the leading isotope from Chernobyl, so I'm not sure how it all pans out.by Ian edited by lillymunster 10/28/2011 4:19:06 PM
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