@elainekirk well, tepco claims that they are not fully responsible for tourism loss, because the tsunami wiped out hotels, resorts and facilities. this is not completely wrong. it's not all their fault. :)
by Edano 10/27/2011 10:10:59 AM
@Edano true enough I suppose but then again without fuku I think they would have been back on their feet and what about somebody who cant reopen due to fuku they will loose 20% of trade comp on total loss of business
by elainekirk 10/27/2011 10:14:17 AM
@elainekirk that's why they accept 100% compensation since september, but march-august they say only 80-90%.
by Edano 10/27/2011 10:16:27 AM
i don't know, maybe the rest is covered by quake insurances (if it exists) ?
by Edano 10/27/2011 10:17:58 AM
i have an insurance that covers all kinds of disasters, but you never know if they pay until it happens ....
by Edano 10/27/2011 10:19:15 AM
Morning (afternoon-evening)
by lillymunster 10/27/2011 11:23:13 AM
@Ian it isn't an article on 5-6 those are group notes. WHo is Corbett?
by lillymunster 10/27/2011 11:52:54 AM
@All - I was contacted by this guy last night. He asked if he could "aggregate" our news feed. What he is doing isn't aggregation, it is making it look like we are contributing to their blog by putting us as the author on our posts they are putting on their blog. So our content shows up within content we have no control over and makes us look like a contributor.
My personal opinion this is not a good situation and we should tell him no because this isn't a real aggregation set up and the context is very problematic. He also started doing it BEFORE he asked. Some of our articles make it into actual aggregators like the paper.li Veenie does and there are some others that do a similar type of aggregtor where it is clear they are aggregating stories from around the web and citing all sources. Those are a non-issue in my opinion because it is clear they are aggregators of news from other places.
Let me know what you all think.
Link to it
www.energy-net.orgby lillymunster 10/27/2011 11:58:45 AM
greetings to all
by dean 10/27/2011 12:37:50 PM
Hi Dean!
by lillymunster 10/27/2011 12:39:21 PM
@ lilly.. I totally agree and he should be told to remove it all, an if necessary a "first warning" if it continues
by dean 10/27/2011 12:39:53 PM
@dean I get the impression he doesn't understand how such things work and doesn't have much experience in online content.
by lillymunster 10/27/2011 12:43:28 PM
@lilly.. true and from what I see he is bent on a mission and will perhaps take text out of context to power statements.. not to say he may have some good information with in,, I am looking more
by dean 10/27/2011 12:45:51 PM
under the heading "nuc free california" .. go to "culture change" then on the right side down a ways is "simplyinfo link"
by dean 10/27/2011 12:48:15 PM
I am seeing LOTS of off topic information on their site. That combined with it looking like we are contributors on their site is not good. We already had an issue where someone was putting content on the FAQ that caused some experts to assume it was "our" content and didn't want to talk to us thinking we held a hard pro-nuke position. It is very easy for things to be misunderstood.
by lillymunster 10/27/2011 12:50:46 PM
also it looks like at the bottom of his page that energy net is copyrighted...
by dean 10/27/2011 12:51:12 PM
@lilly if it were me.. I would strongly ask for our information to be removed and then then if he want's to use information we would agree to let it go with caveats
by dean 10/27/2011 12:52:49 PM
@dean sounds good. I don't think this is a proper context to be using our information. I ran into something along these lines where someone started a blog and was taking entire articles out of other people's blogs and posting them as their own content. The person didn't see anything wrong with this, they were really clueless. Such things happen as social media platforms like blogs become easier to publish
by lillymunster 10/27/2011 12:55:02 PM
@Ian The Energy-Net set up is from an online publishing perspective totally wrong. You don't post some other sources content on your blog and just show them in the author slot. That author slot is where the member of said blog identifies what member added the content. It is not proper context to show an article from another website.
If you look at places where we refer to another website's article we write up something about it and refer over to that website for reading with credit and link that includes that sites URL in it.
What they are doing on that energy-net site is posting other people's content as their own, even if that wasn't their intention.
by lillymunster 10/27/2011 12:58:25 PM
@lilly.. how best can we all help to get our information and link off... I just read one of the posts which would be borderline terrorist type material..." America is a rogue terror state, a menacing plague on humanity.",
by dean 10/27/2011 12:59:11 PM
paper.li is one some people are using to aggregate news. I think this is what Veenie has been using.
by lillymunster 10/27/2011 12:59:33 PM
@dean Yes, I saw a number of things that I think would make many people uncomfortable to be associated with.
As I mentioned, accidental associations like that can cause us big problems if someone trips across this and assumes that is us then writes off the entire group. We already had one misunderstanding along those lines. Sharing information = good Not being able to control how we are presented = not so much
by lillymunster 10/27/2011 1:01:23 PM
@Ian Bingo. But no, that slight language change is not a good solution. Posting other sites stories as blog entries should not be done. There are sidebar news aggregators and aggregator platforms like paper.li if someone wants to aggregate news.
What he is doing gives the reader the impression these posts are content contributed to their site and they are not. Reader impression is all that matters in the end.
by lillymunster 10/27/2011 1:03:05 PM
I do have this guys's email address. He contacted us after he set this up, it sounds like he didn't fully understand how the widget he is using to pull in content actually worked. I am going to ask him to pull our content and link off.
I will try to at least give him some advice on better aggregation tools. I think wordpress has a few that sidebar it like a news feed.
by lillymunster 10/27/2011 1:05:15 PM
@Ian I used to do this kind of thing for a living.
by lillymunster 10/27/2011 1:06:31 PM
@Ian Look at HOW they publish this. It is very clear it is a news story from another site. It cites the source in the title, includes the original byline from the news story and the "source" at the end links to the original news article.
There is more tolerance for doing this kind of posting from a major news source than from other blogs because it is obvious to the reader what CNN is and that they are showing a brief part of a CNN article. If someone were to do this with an article Jake Adelstein wrote and put on his website it would be much less likely the average reader would realize Jake Adelstein is not part of that blog.
CNN: ‘Why tourism in Fukushima makes more sense then ever’ — Reporter given all-expenses-paid trip to Japan — “Life in much of Fukushima goes on as normal now”
IWAKI, Oct. 27 — CNN International’s CNNGo has an interesting piece dated Oct. 27 by James A. Foley: ‘Traveling to the edge: Why tourism in Fukushima makes more sense then ever’.
“Life in much of Fukushima goes on as normal now, more than half a year since the quake,” reads the photo’s caption.
After clicking through to the second page of the article, tucked away in the story between parentheses is this quote, “Full disclosure: I was recently sent on an all-expenses-paid trip back to Japan, courtesy of the Japanese government, to see for myself that it still is a safe place to be.”
SOURCE: Traveling to the edge: Why tourism in Fukushima makes more sense then ever
by lillymunster 10/27/2011 1:10:13 PM
@Ian Yes, the way ENEews does it is rather parasitic. We were doing daily news roundups for a while. You can still find them on the website by doing a search. What we did was put the title or one sentence about the article and a link to the article itself and who had the article (ie: Mainichi, Ex-SKF etc).
We also frequently refer people to other blog articles like Ex-SKF since he had original content frequently like a story he translated or his notes from a press conference. For those I will usually write up a few sentences explaining what the issue was and clearly tell people to go read the entire story at Ex-SKF with a link to the story.
by lillymunster 10/27/2011 1:13:20 PM
there is a link there for the corbett report and on the fukushima update for 10-27, corbett shows articles, one of which is by Ian goddard about the "radiation exposure to Japan after the Quake".. is that our Ian.. and that is an example of I wonder if contact was made before quoting
by dean 10/27/2011 1:13:33 PM
@Ian Right, ENEnews made it clear they were reprinting a CNN article. Energy-net does not.
by lillymunster 10/27/2011 1:13:50 PM
@lilly. your much more up to speed on this and glad you are... GOLD STAR for the day
by dean 10/27/2011 1:15:23 PM
I must depart.. will return ..
by dean 10/27/2011 1:15:33 PM
There have been a couple of rather unique and interesting things that have happened surrounding Fuku that are somewhat new issues. Monetizing blogs, where the blog owner is providing news but trying to shove people over to buy something or run lots of ads and put over the top or inflammatory content to drive more hits and get more ad revenue.
The inflammatory content - ad revenue isn't totally new big sites like FARK do it but in a less destructive way. They will find an existing inflammatory news story from a major news source and link to that using the links plus extra views on discussion to increase ad revenue. Our local newspaper does the same thing.
by lillymunster 10/27/2011 1:17:21 PM
Have a good one Dean!
by lillymunster 10/27/2011 1:17:31 PM
Other oddities seem to be the ham handed content sharing. Some just don't understand and seem to be new to blogging and online news. Others do the parasitic news content like ENENews. Some will completely lift another sites article and publish as their own.
There was a HUGE dust up with the major news services years ago about blogs quoting news stories. Even just quoting news articles was angering some major media outlets because they felt it was encroaching on their territory. Then there was a big discussion if bloggers were journalists and if they deserved the same protections as journalists.
The one court case I remember decided the blogger did deserve the same protections as a journalist. But this then put a whole pile of ethical obligations on bloggers. Some bloggers took this to heart and tried to up their game. Many new first time bloggers trying to cover hard news don't understand all of this. Then you have blogs about say crocheting vs. a blog about nuclear news or a hot political issue. Both are blogs, they obviously operate under a different expectation.
Having worked in political blogging for years and on some really heated topics I had to deal with lots of real journalist issues like verifying sources yet keeping source anonymity etc.
by lillymunster 10/27/2011 1:24:04 PM
ENENews on Units 5 and 6 : enenews.comby Ian 10/27/2011 11:25:48 AM
Good morning, I agree with lilly and dean. Unless the sources are properly cited and linked, I do not think he should have this privilege.by Peter 10/27/2011 12:52:24 PM
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