Japan Earthquake

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bottle of uranium nitrate found in the Vienna radiation institute - dated about WWI www.gutenberg-e.org
by lillymunster via Gutenberg-e.org 11/3/2011 2:57:34 PM

@lillymunster I dont swallow it there may be government ministers who would but I dont ;)
by elainekirk 11/3/2011 2:58:08 PM

WTH! You can buy a radium impregnated pottery bottle - new - on Rauten global.rakuten.com
by lillymunster 11/3/2011 2:58:33 PM

@lillymunster glows dunnit
by elainekirk 11/3/2011 2:58:41 PM

@elainekirk I still find the entire thing suspicious
by lillymunster 11/3/2011 2:58:51 PM

@lillymunster yes that is what I am saying Japan produces and has produced radium coated bottles
by elainekirk 11/3/2011 2:59:23 PM

This is the closest thing I can find to a blue radium bottle, it contained radium water, the bottle itself was not made with radium in the glass etc. www.periodictable.com
by lillymunster 11/3/2011 3:01:07 PM

"because of his past we were a tad bit concerned " www.dangerouslaboratories.org
OT but a gem
by elainekirk 11/3/2011 3:01:14 PM

@lillymunster it isnt big enough though is it ?
by elainekirk 11/3/2011 3:02:01 PM

@elainekirk I vaguely remember the story of the boy scout. Why this guy never went to college for something related...
by lillymunster 11/3/2011 3:09:43 PM

@lillymunster is radium an alpha emitter I thought it was which makes geiger counters detecting broken bottles buried deep underground a bit strange

by elainekirk 11/3/2011 3:19:17 PM

Wiki says alpha en.wikipedia.org
by lillymunster 11/3/2011 3:28:54 PM

Elaine you are correct - alpha is what can be easily blocked, like by paper. We need to ask the more techie inclined. If alpha is so easily blocked how is it being detected so easily in huge amounts above ground?

Something else strange. The readings above the pavement in Setagaya at the grocery were 117 mSv but the bottle location was 40 mSv? Wouln't the futher away radiation be lower than the source not the other way around??

Radiation protection en.wikipedia.org
by lillymunster 11/3/2011 3:31:53 PM

I would love to go to japan and help fight this crap
by elainekirk 11/3/2011 3:34:52 PM

@elainekirk :-)
by lillymunster 11/3/2011 3:41:09 PM

I want some more opinions on this but I think you may have uncovered the illogical problem in the whole radium hot spot problem...
by lillymunster 11/3/2011 3:41:51 PM

@lillymunster it was just too convenient all these bottles of radium an when they unearth a broken one so easily so deep how the hell did they pinpoint that? the bottle whates left of it is embedded and full of soil so water seepage land movement etc etc havent caused the contents to disperse it is beyond sci fi
by elainekirk 11/3/2011 3:46:01 PM

@elainekirk It was also under asphalt or concrete sidewalk....
by lillymunster 11/3/2011 3:46:42 PM

they always detect gamma rays. these stem from daughter products of radium, not necessarily from radium itself.
by Edano 11/3/2011 4:00:43 PM

greek referendum cancelled ...
by Edano 11/3/2011 4:01:15 PM

@Edano ah so that wee botlle with its dispersed contents produced daughter products that penetrated to the surface giving readings more than twice......should I go put kettle on I feel a tad dizzy?
by elainekirk 11/3/2011 4:05:06 PM

I remember seeing uranyl acetate on the shelves of numerous life science labs using electron microscopy. I do not know about radium, but it is not uncommon for research labs to have such stuff around. en.wikipedia.org
by Peter 11/3/2011 4:12:02 PM

So the gamma findings make sense. What about the reading being higher above the pavement than the actual bottle area?
by lillymunster 11/3/2011 4:16:48 PM

Interesting factoid, an automatic scram systems can scram a reactor in about two seconds as shown in this graph from here: bit.ly i1214.photobucket.com
by Peter via I1214.photobucket 11/3/2011 4:18:42 PM

Watch the ordinate. It plots displacement of fuel assemblies. The largest displacements stem from ultra-low ground motion frequencies in the spectra I posted last night. These displacements dislodged a fuel assembly at KK Unit 5 during the NCO Earthquake. Perhaps they can break them as well. i1214.photobucket.com
by Peter via I1214.photobucket 11/3/2011 4:24:20 PM

@Peter I think I understand that though my non techi side is struggling
by elainekirk 11/3/2011 4:29:15 PM

Well, I was thinking during the 'recriticality' discussion we were having, whether a quake can actually harm fuel rods. According to this, the seismic effect likely is not resonance to the shaking but rather violent shakes at low frequency bang the assemblies around which could impact also those in storage. The detected increase in xenon may be a result of quake damage to fuel rods either in the pools or still in the rpvs.
by Peter 11/3/2011 4:38:41 PM

The movement of that assembly at kk is interesting. You would think the tight configuration and weight of the assembly would prevent them from raising up enough to come out of the "cup" they rest in
by lillymunster 11/3/2011 4:42:46 PM

We consider that they were generated by the
spontaneous fission on the grounds that the concentration of detected
short-half-like radionuclide (Xe-135) is low, that short-half-like
radionuclide (Xe-135) was detected even after the boric acid, which stops
nuclear fission chain reactions, was injected, and that the parameters of
the reactor were not significantly changed. www.tepco.co.jp 3pm update
by elainekirk 11/3/2011 4:57:22 PM

@elainekirk hmm maybe it isn't coming from where the water went?
by lillymunster 11/3/2011 5:09:35 PM

There is iodine 131 being emitted at Fuku - lower levels but it is there. On the charts it is the green circle. What I can't figure is what are the numbers along the bottom of each chart? Does anyone have a quick way to convert those values into an understandable number of becquerels? www.tepco.co.jp
by lillymunster 11/3/2011 5:16:24 PM

govt should nationalize TEPCO www.economist.com
by lillymunster 11/3/2011 5:34:06 PM

that the readings are higher on the pavement than below, does not make much sense.
by Edano 11/3/2011 5:37:58 PM

@elainekirk, lilly, that was my thinking. Perhaps tepco threw the boronic acid in the wrong place.
by Peter 11/3/2011 5:39:07 PM

no, boronic acid will only affect a chain reaction by capturing the free neutrons, but not influence the fission of radionuclides. the fission will go on anyway.
by Edano 11/3/2011 5:43:11 PM

i think that is what tepco wants to say: there is no chain reaction, but fission. this is not worth reporting, but they do it. the only question is why they make such a fuzz of it.
by Edano 11/3/2011 5:51:11 PM

@Edano TEPCO's report from the other day said there is undoubtedly re-criticality in their own report. They seemed to think it was themselves.

by lillymunster 11/3/2011 5:53:02 PM

I thought they said radiation wasnt rising? they just released japanese readings for sampples taken on the
2nd and #2 shows definate rise www.tepco.co.jp
www.tepco.co.jp
by elainekirk 11/3/2011 5:53:35 PM

@lillymunster yes i know. it was not a misunderstanding. they are confused as always.
by Edano 11/3/2011 5:55:50 PM

@elainekirk rads up a bit, looked at temps for 2, mostly trending down with 2 sensors up just a little today. www.houseoffoust.com
by lillymunster 11/3/2011 6:14:32 PM

@lillymunster we will have to see when they get round to publishing todays readings
by elainekirk 11/3/2011 6:20:26 PM

@lillymunster Where is that report that mentions re-criticality?
by Pedro Jesus 11/3/2011 7:02:02 PM

@Pedro Jesus of course I just closed that window a few minutes ago. Let me see if I can dig it up
by lillymunster 11/3/2011 7:22:08 PM

@Pedro Jesus found it, they call it "fission reaction" - hmm - www.tepco.co.jp
by lillymunster 11/3/2011 7:24:30 PM

Outside a Jr High School in Tokyo. :( Are radiation fallout levels are increasing or we're just getting more measurements?
by Ian 11/3/2011 7:28:18 PM