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  • @lillymunster way way higher
    by elainekirk 11/4/2011 9:47:34 PM

  • (Nov 04,2011)Report to Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency of the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry with regards to the detection of Xe135 at Unit 2 of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 11/4/2011 9:52:17 PM

  • Unit 2 subdrain www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 11/4/2011 9:58:29 PM

  • Unit 1
    -At 1:35 pm on November 4, we started sampling both at an opening hatch
    for equipment and at an entrance for large stuff in Reactor Building. At
    2:35 pm on the same day, the sampling finished.

    Unit 2
    -At 2:20 pm on November 4, in order to balance between the amount of
    nitrogen injection into Reactor Pressure Vessel and that of emission from
    the gas control system, we increased the gas emission amount from 14Nm3/h
    to 22Nm3/h.

    3pm update Nov 4th www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 11/4/2011 10:01:11 PM

  • So they upped nitrogen again - they are increasing it on every report.

    They sealed off basement entrances in turbine buildings, recently citing as basements dry out dust that is high rad is coming up. Now rad spikes in the outlets?
    by lillymunster 11/4/2011 10:06:30 PM

  • What does this all mean?
    by lillymunster 11/4/2011 10:06:36 PM

  • @lillymunster way beyond my scope lilly we need team here
    by elainekirk 11/4/2011 10:11:42 PM

  • @elainekirk as people pop in tonight should direct them that way.
    by lillymunster 11/4/2011 10:16:04 PM

  • @lillymunster yes I will go look at the simply work you posted earlier not had chance yet
    by elainekirk 11/4/2011 10:25:17 PM

  • back for a bit
    by dean 11/4/2011 11:56:42 PM

  • @elaine and lilly.. you two are a team to be envied
    by dean 11/4/2011 11:57:02 PM

  • Strontium chloride Sr 89 is a radiopharmaceutical. Radiopharmaceuticals are radioactive agents that may be used to diagnose some diseases by studying the function of the body's organs or to treat certain diseases.

    Strontium chloride Sr 89 is used to help relieve the bone pain that may occur with certain kinds of cancer. The radioactive strontium is taken up in the bone cancer area and gives off radiation that helps provide relief of pain.

    Strontium chloride Sr 89 is to be given only by or under the direct supervision of a doctor with specialized training in nuclear medicine or radiation oncology.
    by dean 11/5/2011 12:02:51 AM

  • will return.. I will digest all the info and get back..
    by dean 11/5/2011 12:06:11 AM

  • @dean hi dean
    by elainekirk 11/5/2011 12:20:05 AM

  • @dean sorry been following news of the pile up here some terrible losses
    by elainekirk 11/5/2011 12:20:33 AM

  • back for a minute..
    by dean 11/5/2011 12:24:53 AM

  • @elaine and lilly.. it would be good to have something on simplyinfo which could be clicked on and titled... ways to tell a fission has occurred at fukushima...
    by dean 11/5/2011 12:25:55 AM

  • then go into the detection of fission particles or gases that are the direct result of a fission.. perhaps with the isotopes and their approx 1/2 life so one could see that if a fission occurs inside the building some where is it possible.. with transport time.. to detect these main isotopes .... it could even tell us perhaps how the isotopes escape the building to get in the areas they are detected
    by dean 11/5/2011 12:27:34 AM

  • www.hiroshimasyndrome.com good bit of information here
    by dean 11/5/2011 12:29:32 AM

  • @dean wow thank you dean
    by elainekirk 11/5/2011 12:31:54 AM

  • @dean how do you think they are getting out
    by elainekirk 11/5/2011 12:32:40 AM

  • @elaine.. most plausible way is water
    by dean 11/5/2011 12:36:06 AM

  • @dean as a non techi I cant help thinking they have lost control
    by elainekirk 11/5/2011 12:37:44 AM

  • Radioactivity in Fukushima children's urine

    A medical consulting firm in Tokyo says radioactive material has been detected in the urine of 104 children in Fukushima Prefecture, the site of the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.

    RHC JAPAN collected urine from children aged 6 or younger in Minamisoma City to check for possible internal exposure.

    Those checks were done at the request of parents of preschool children. Tests being carried out by local governments only cover elementary school students and older.

    Of 1,500 samples that have been analyzed so far, 7 percent contain radioactive cesium.

    The levels of material detected were mostly between 20 and 30 becquerels per liter, slightly above the detection limit. The highest was 187 becquerels in the sample of a one-year-old boy. The firm says there has been no internal exposure that could affect human health.

    National Institute of Radiological Sciences Director Makoto Akashi says that although those test results need verification, they do point to the possibility of internal exposure in Fukushima children.

    He added that the level of internal exposure would not increase if one eats food tested for radioactivity.

    Saturday, November 05, 2011 08:17 +0900 (JST)
    www3.nhk.or.jp
    by Edano 11/5/2011 12:39:07 AM

  • @elaine, my heart goes out to Japan to try and figure this all out , it's a very very complex nuclear disaster with new twists and turns every day.. "one has to step back so the big picture is visible instead of staying in the fog"..
    by dean 11/5/2011 12:39:53 AM

  • @Edano hi
    by dean 11/5/2011 12:40:39 AM

  • one thing @elaine.. I seem to gather that one way to sense conflicts in Japan is to listen to the wording of the different agencies involved when they talk about some problem..
    by dean 11/5/2011 12:41:35 AM

  • I must go for a bit here.. but will try to be back..
    by dean 11/5/2011 12:41:51 AM

  • @dean ok i hope so just digesting your info
    by elainekirk 11/5/2011 12:45:45 AM

  • @Edano the firm says ... do they not realise that if they were honest and fought for these children to be moved away to prevent further exposure they may actually help them rather than leave them to absorb more and more
    by elainekirk 11/5/2011 12:48:35 AM

  • @elainekirk yes it is very sad.
    by Edano 11/5/2011 12:51:17 AM

  • @Edano it is watching everything break down communities destroyed it is as harmful as the radiation a double whammy
    by elainekirk 11/5/2011 12:54:01 AM

  • "Our Deadly Nuclear Legacy" Panel Discussion, hosted by Dr. Gary Null, at the New York Society for Ethical Culture - September 21, 2011

    by Ian 11/5/2011 1:36:41 AM

  • finally back. Saw Dean's suggestion for the site. Can get that figured out will need more info//direction
    by lillymunster 11/5/2011 1:41:03 AM

  • @lillymunster yes I tried to keep up with him but I struggled due to my non techiness
    by elainekirk 11/5/2011 1:47:50 AM

  • @Edano are you still here
    by elainekirk 11/5/2011 1:48:21 AM

  • @elainekirk half and half ...
    by Edano 11/5/2011 1:48:48 AM

  • @elainekirk I understand what Dean was after, need details on the isotopes etc to get them right
    by lillymunster 11/5/2011 1:48:55 AM

  • @lillymunster @Edano hello half of edano are you left or right
    by elainekirk 11/5/2011 1:51:24 AM

  • @elainekirk what you need ? :)
    by Edano 11/5/2011 1:56:17 AM

  • @Edano sorry edano I am loosing track more footage coming through from the accident it is horrendous
    by elainekirk 11/5/2011 2:04:23 AM

  • Hi all! Just wanted to pop in and say hello. I'm still "lurking" regularly, I just don't have the technical knowledge to contribute much. As always, I very much appreciate all you do!
    by Lurking 11/5/2011 2:25:45 AM

  • @Lurking hi lurking
    by elainekirk 11/5/2011 2:26:08 AM

  • @Lurking hi!
    by lillymunster 11/5/2011 2:27:53 AM

  • here are a bunch of questions/comments that occured to me as I read the Tepco explanation, and the hiroshimasyndrome posts. Tepco seems to be using the formulas for a 'normal' reactor situation and I wonder if they would still be valid in such an unusual circumstance. The probability percentage for Cm244 to spontaneously fission is 0.000137%. Doesn't that imply that a pretty large sample of Cm244 would have to be in the RV just to arrive at the figures presented for Xe135 (1.7X10^-5 bq/cm3)? Tepco mentions that increased boronation didn't decrease Xe135 reading. But how can they assume that the boron got to where it needed to go? They say that it takes 214hrs to have the water circulate (just shy of 9 days)- is that figure based on dispersion without a circ. system, or with? In either case, the boron wouldn't be effective yet, would it? And that's not even considering that it might have never achieved full concentration near a corium that may be partially sited in a ground water/ injection-trickle-down soup. With that same thought about the 'where's waldo' corium, and the dicey instrumentation, tepco doesn't really know what the temp of the corium is. The bulk of it could be far from any sensors, working or not. And the pressure wouldn't show a change of any note because it LEAKS. On the bottom of page 1, they say "However, we didn’t see any
    significant changes in the parameters and the temperature at the bottom of nuclear
    reactor lowered as the amount of injected water decreased. (Document 4). Unless this is a bad translation, if the temp lowered as the water injection decreased- water is both a moderator and facillitator of fission, maybe less water (whatever the effective concentration of boron) had a damping effect on fission? Oy, my brain hurts...So many variables!!! BTW, I find it interesting that Iodine131 decays to Xe131, I133 to Xe133, I135 to Xe135.
    by M.I.A. 11/5/2011 2:31:24 AM

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