

@elainekirk yes, but nowhere else.strange.
by Edano 11/10/2011 6:34:27 PM

37.1N 140.9E M3.4
by Edano 11/10/2011 6:35:25 PM

more south of daini, in iwaki.
by Edano 11/10/2011 6:39:27 PM

Radium substance found at residence in TokyoTOKYO, Nov. 11, Kyodo
english.kyodonews.jp by Edano 11/10/2011 6:41:01 PM

Soccer: Grass greener than anticipated for Japan-Tajikistan qualifierBy Shintaro Kano
DUSHANBE, Nov. 10, Kyodo
english.kyodonews.jp by Edano 11/10/2011 6:44:53 PM

hmmmm ..... ?
by Edano 11/10/2011 6:45:04 PM

@Edano hmmm? imdeed
by elainekirk 11/10/2011 7:03:14 PM

@MaryW thanks Mary
by elainekirk 11/10/2011 7:03:47 PM


@Edano ok now I have seen it all
by elainekirk 11/10/2011 7:22:03 PM


Maybe they should send that to tepco
by elainekirk 11/10/2011 7:24:32 PM

@MaryW very cool finding !!! finally an article that deals with corium out of containment !!! lilly has to see that.
by Edano 11/10/2011 7:25:20 PM

there is also lilly's corium-in-torus theory ...
by Edano 11/10/2011 7:30:40 PM

@MaryW I think the fuku impact is going to be horribly unique , for everything they got wrong the Russians did try to evac effectively and also gave iodine, there was no attempt to sanction foodstuffs everything was banned and sadly , very sadly your man on the street is unaware of any lasting i mpact from chernobyl so to draw comparison will be read as 'low impact'. I really think people have got to be shocked into realising the horrific impact of fuku and we can only hope that as a knock on from that , that chernobyl victims are recognised and helped
by elainekirk 11/10/2011 8:23:34 PM

@MaryW yes I know but the only way to highlight chernobyl is I believe through making people witness fuku if we can keep beavering away and collecting info so people cannot ignore it only then I think will they start to find out the outcomes at chernobyl, tits around arse I know but trying to get people to heed history is like trying t get tepco to be honest, it just ain't gonna happen
by elainekirk 11/10/2011 9:02:07 PM

Fuku workers tweets from rockhopper
1) Approximately 4500 automobiles have been brought/driven out of the
exclusion area (by residents of the area)
2) On decontamination in cities and towns of Fukushima. It seems like
they are still washing by high-pressure water. High-pressure water
won't work to wash radioactive particles out from brick wall and
Japanese traditional clay tiles (for roofing). The particles get into
the porous materials, and cannot be washed out. Surface should be
wiped, not washed, so that radioactive particles will not be blown
away. After wiping out, porous material (like the brick wall) surface
should be coated with other materials. Japanese clay roof should be
replaced. It would be easier and safer (than washing). Many people are
worried about radiation level, but I think that preventing radioactive
particles being blown around in the air is more important than
radiation levels.
3) At this moment, preventing internal exposure is much more crucial
than external exposure. Regardless of whether it's through food or
decontamination work, people should not take radioactive particles
into the body.
4) Needless to say, children and pregnant women should not be exposed
to any types of radiation, even with low-dose radiation. We see
effects of low-dose radiation among people around Chernobyl.
by elainekirk 11/10/2011 9:12:36 PM

back in for a bit. Grabbed the link to that big fukushima article. BTW. Tomorrow is 9 months. Thinking we should put together a sort of progress report. Let me know your thoughts on what should be in it.
by lillymunster 11/10/2011 9:23:25 PM

@lillymunster you saw the china syndrome graphic ?
by Edano 11/10/2011 9:24:55 PM

@Edano yes
by lillymunster 11/10/2011 9:28:22 PM

@lillymunster we've been long looking for sth like this. :)
by Edano 11/10/2011 9:29:42 PM

Interesting, still finishing reading.
by lillymunster 11/10/2011 9:33:55 PM

@Edano (and everyone else) what is your take on this from that document?
Heating of the core(s) would be the result of fast fission. Because cores emitting fission products cannot be sub-critical, the low detection levels of these gases is instead likely because the cores are underground.
by lillymunster 11/10/2011 9:40:29 PM

@lillymunster as a non techi but logical erson that sits a lot better with me than tepco's explanation
by elainekirk 11/10/2011 9:42:23 PM

@lillymunster hmmm a core can of course be subcritical, imo.
by Edano 11/10/2011 9:45:53 PM

@elainekirk They make a very good case with lots of details. I don't think anyone has yet to come to TEPCO's conclusion on the Xenon cause. IIRC the closest that was found was MIA's Iodine 131 that eventually turned into a daughter product that was the xenon. But to have Iodine 131 you have to have some sort of fission going on or criticality? The idea of unit 2 melting straight down would seem logical vs. unit 3 where the explosion was so massive it could have moved corium and fuel or at least broken up the mass of fuel a bit
by lillymunster 11/10/2011 9:46:16 PM

in my opinion, the most "critical" reactor is #1. i think there is nearly no fuel anymore inside containment. everyday i look at the temperature plot and wonder about the "smooth" curve.
by Edano 11/10/2011 9:48:56 PM


@Edano as Dean mentioned you just need the right mix of conditions and physical configuration to get a prompt criticality.
Something else to remember. The write talks of silica sand and bedrock. Fuku is not built on true bedrock. It is a dense shale with something else in it IIRC some sort of clay or other small particle material. So at a point where bedrock is discussed what is under Fuku is much less dense than something like granite.
by lillymunster 11/10/2011 9:50:13 PM

@Edano how would unit 1's temp curve compare to a decay heat curve.
I think some of these temp readings are being misused by TEPCO, if the fuel is nowhere near the RPV anymore your just getting chimney heat in the RPV
by lillymunster 11/10/2011 9:51:30 PM

@lillymunster fission happens after a neutron is captured by a nucleus. a fissioning nucleus produces fast neutrons. criticality, or chain reaction, is when there are more neutrons produced than captured. furthermore, the produced neutrons are too fast to be captured. therefore, a moderator is needed, that slows down the neutrons. this can be water.
by Edano 11/10/2011 9:57:20 PM

@lillymunster a decay heat curve is a simple logarithmic curve that approaches a target temperature without ever reaching it. but it depends on the amount of water that is poured in for cooling.
by Edano 11/10/2011 10:00:50 PM