Japan Earthquake | Page 2634

  • This like will not work. You can only access the EASA bulletin through the article in the Aviation Herald
    by MaryW 11/11/2011 1:41:54 AM

  • from one of the comments:

    There is no groundwater aquifer underneath Fukushima Daiichi. The plant sits on at least a 450 feet thick layer of mudstone/sandstone which is relatively impervious to liquids. A 1988 document for a Tokyo world conference on earthquake engineering proves they have earthquake sensors that were drilled down in several places under Unit 6 and the deepest accelerometer gauge is 143 Meters into mudstone (about 450 feet). The document about the depth of the gauge is here: www.iitk.ac.in

    I found quite a few web documents about the mudstone/sandstone layers under Fukushima Daiichi.

    The mudstone layer may go as deep as 800 meters and the Germans have a nice little piece on their theory of corium flow which they fairly dismiss as unlikely to get much water action and also about underground water in general for Japan (very small distribution of aquifer systems in Japan’s main island …almost all drinking water comes from rivers:

    www.welt.de Try Google Chrome for a fairly decent translation.

    They also point out as I learned elsewhere that the concrete foundation pad under the compromised reactor vessel at Unit 3 is about 15 feet thick.

    So we’re safe right? Just wait until the corium (all three) burn out in about ten years? Maybe hasten the process by pouring some minerals down the hole if they can ever get a machine capable to do that over the exit wound?

    Well, that sounds OK if we assume the corium has a vertical mind. Hmmm… so maybe it doesn’t? Maybe it is going to find a path to the sea without going straight down 2600 feet to the granite layer which would surely be a tough nut for the corium to crack.

    Remember our new TEPCO term…the melt-out. Not Melt-down, not melt-through, but melt-out. The sea is only a few yards from the reactors…one new theory is that the corium will find a path to the sea. If that happens then the steam explosion theory re-enters the playbook… dungheap.wordpress.com
    by Edano 11/11/2011 1:43:44 AM

  • gendai.ismedia.jp

    Worse than a ‘melt through’ – a ‘melt out’? — See Graphic enenews.com

    by Edano via Gendai.ismedia.jp 11/11/2011 1:49:09 AM

  • @Edano May need to start a list for the new edition of TEPCO's World Dictionary:)
    by MaryW 11/11/2011 1:49:16 AM

  • Interesting theory that corium might move laterally on a large scale. The corium at Chernobyl made some very long lateral paths including turning the corner of a hallway. Much of the ability for it to move sideways was due to hallways or walls so thin they were easy to burn through. How much do we really know about corium flow behaviors? They have Chernobyl as a real life example and whatever controlled experiments that have been done like the French one they videoed showing corium bubbling, crusting and rebubbling.
    by lillymunster 11/11/2011 1:49:19 AM

  • @MaryW yes,we could write a tepco dictionary meanwhile :)
    by Edano 11/11/2011 1:49:59 AM

  • And corium in the sea bed...what ecological and environmental effects on that?
    by MaryW 11/11/2011 1:52:01 AM

  • Did you check out the pdf report below, INRS rating a level 5 for one of its reactors on March 22.2011 to the world at large
    by MaryW 11/11/2011 1:54:22 AM

  • INES not INRS
    by MaryW 11/11/2011 1:57:18 AM

  • @MaryW cores in the sea. Pacific would be toast. Pacific seafood would be a ruined industry for generations.
    by lillymunster 11/11/2011 2:08:01 AM

  • I'm not sure if this is new to you all, but I saw it for the first time today. Wow! A picture is really worth more than a thousand words. cryptome.org
    by Lurking 11/11/2011 2:39:07 AM

  • @Lurking Amazing!
    by MaryW 11/11/2011 2:42:06 AM

  • Air dried salmon from Iwaki, who wants some! www.asahi.com
    by lillymunster 11/11/2011 2:43:54 AM

  • @Lurking Oooh pictures of the reactor well - I think Cryptome has better picture versions than TEPCO put on their website?
    by lillymunster 11/11/2011 2:46:02 AM

  • @MaryW & Lily ~ the photos really hit home. I think everyone in the world should see these.
    by Lurking 11/11/2011 2:46:30 AM

  • @Lily Cryptome has been spot on with the pictures. I loved the previous mock ups you all worked so hard on. Glad I finally had something to bring to the table.
    by Lurking 11/11/2011 2:53:51 AM

  • Picture 3 in the upper left shows a big bundle of conduit pipe on skids. So there were building materials on the reactor refueling deck. This was something people wondered about in reference to damage.
    by lillymunster 11/11/2011 2:54:47 AM

  • EDF fined for hacking into Greenpeace www.greenpeace.org
    by lillymunster 11/11/2011 3:15:51 AM

  • Don't mess with the hippies. :-)

    The court fined the company 1.5 million Euros and ordered it to pay €500,000 in damages to Greenpeace France. In addition, the court sent the four men involved, two of them senior EDF executives, to jail as well - and fined three of them.
    by lillymunster 11/11/2011 3:19:34 AM

  • government policy on decontamination decreases radiation level in 2 years that just happens to equal the expected decay of cesium 134. www3.nhk.or.jp
    by lillymunster 11/11/2011 3:23:57 AM

  • @Lily, funny how that works, eh?
    by Lurking 11/11/2011 4:07:32 AM

  • by Ian 11/11/2011 5:12:44 AM

  • PBS-Police officers ordered to work all day in Fukushima at 4.4 microsieverts/hr -- "They told us we are ok, so we just need to trust them". November 11.2011 enemews.com"they-have-told-us-we-are-ok-so-we-just-need-to-trust-them"-video
    by MaryW 11/11/2011 5:47:34 AM

  • by MaryW 11/11/2011 5:49:41 AM

  • OPPS on the link--Its getting late, can't see or type. later :)
    by MaryW 11/11/2011 5:51:04 AM

  • It turned out that pressure in D/W of Unit 2, which is one of the plant
    parameter, such as water level, pressure of temperature, was incorrect
    from 11:00 pm on October 29 to 11:00 pm on 10 November. This is because
    the pressure loss in the pipe for additional amount of injected nitrogen
    gas was not considered for the calculation of the pressure in D/W
    although injected amount of nitrogen gas has been increased
    appropriately since October 28 when the operation of gas management
    system of primary containment vessel started. Because revised pressure
    in D/W calculated by correct pressure loss in the pipe exceeds
    atmospheric pressure, there is no problem about its safety. The revision
    of value of the past data will be informed separately. www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 11/11/2011 9:27:52 AM

  • by elainekirk 11/11/2011 9:32:16 AM

  • 1 of 6 slides - results of measurement of unit 2 primary containment vessel gases www.tepco.co.jp

    by elainekirk 11/11/2011 9:35:26 AM

  • survey results of damage to unit 4 www.tepco.co.jp

    by elainekirk 11/11/2011 9:38:22 AM

  • @elainekirk damn, i noticed the pressure problem in #2 .....
    by Edano 11/11/2011 11:24:32 AM

  • @Edano I dont understand it on a techi level but you give some cracking explanations that help me find interesting tepco docs
    by elainekirk 11/11/2011 11:35:21 AM

  • this is the tepco data at 5:00 this morning .....

    by Edano 11/11/2011 11:37:43 AM

  • www.houseoffoust.com
    .... and this is the corrected tepco data at 11:00 this morning.

    by Edano via Houseoffoust 11/11/2011 11:38:43 AM

  • @Edano how far back have they corrected
    by elainekirk 11/11/2011 11:40:12 AM

  • @elainekirk oct. 29
    by Edano 11/11/2011 11:40:59 AM

  • i was watching the odd pressure difference all the time .... and now it's gone :)
    by Edano 11/11/2011 11:42:16 AM


  • @Edano

    by elainekirk 11/11/2011 11:44:54 AM

  • @elainekirk yeah just like that :)
    by Edano 11/11/2011 11:47:04 AM

  • @Edano typically tepco
    by elainekirk 11/11/2011 11:48:13 AM

  • RT @W7VOA: Kyodo quotes gov't ministers saying #Japan decides to join negotiations for big Pacific trade accord. #TPP
    by elainekirk 11/11/2011 11:50:24 AM

  • i wonder how long it took tepco to notice this error. :/ it seems they didn't care about it all the two weeks.....
    by Edano 11/11/2011 11:51:57 AM

  • @Edano I don't think the data collection dept liase at all with those on the ground everything seems out of date when picked up on, it is as though they have weekly meetings and those are the only time somebody working on the ground gets to see the data and point out discrepancies #justmytakeonit
    by elainekirk 11/11/2011 11:58:30 AM

  • @elainekirk it seems so. maybe it was even nisa who pointed tepco to this possible error.
    by Edano 11/11/2011 11:59:50 AM

  • Gov't to reduce radiation dose for children by 60% in 2 yrs

    TOKYO, Nov. 11, Kyodo english.kyodonews.jp
    by Edano 11/11/2011 12:05:46 PM

  • english.kyodonews.jp

    Workers at Fukushima plant
    Workers in protective suits wait in the town of Naraha, Fukushima Prefecture, for a vehicle to go to the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station. Work is under way to put the crippled plant under control since an accident triggered by the March quake and tsunami. (Pool photo)(Kyodo) english.kyodonews.jp

    by Edano via English.kyodonews.jp 11/11/2011 12:07:21 PM

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