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@Ian were they making this? :-)
www.mentalfloss.comby lillymunster via Mentalfloss 11/13/2011 2:26:25 AM- Nothing new on IAEA's website. You can't expect them to be working to track down a major nuclear leak when there are cocktail parties to host and hands to shake!by lillymunster 11/13/2011 2:28:22 AM
@lillymunster surely they don't "work" on sundays.by Edano 11/13/2011 2:29:14 AM
@lillymunster, this should surely be a maximal test of the IAEA's efficacy and commitment to the public. They've already failed the public by declaring de facto that i131 levels are safe in all locations, and at the same time that they have no idea where it's coming from -- a logical contradiction.by Ian 11/13/2011 2:35:10 AM
well my eyes must be playing tricks I had better go to bed they are trying to tell me there are more orange dots than there were earlier eurdepweb.jrc.ec.europa.eu comes to summat when you can't trust your own eyesby elainekirk 11/13/2011 2:35:37 AM- eurdepweb.jrc.ec.europa.eu country list
that's why we don't get all nuclides from all countries in EURDEP. best is t-gamma. and ukraine does not appear in the contributer list. :(by Edano 11/13/2011 2:39:28 AM - nite Elaine!by lillymunster 11/13/2011 2:39:58 AM
- @elainekirk, I see oranges too. :) For: 300 nSv/hby Ian 11/13/2011 2:43:10 AM
- Most oranges are around France.by Ian 11/13/2011 2:44:37 AM
- I don't remember anything in Turkey before - getting green and blue dots there nowby lillymunster 11/13/2011 2:45:44 AM
- The map is no longer pulling up all the sources under i-131 that it was, even going out a week.by lillymunster 11/13/2011 2:49:32 AM
- 300 nSv = 0.3 µSv, essentually 3X background for most areas.by Ian 11/13/2011 2:59:37 AM
- @Ian of I-131? I am having issues with the site so hard to tell if it is actual change or weirdness on my endby lillymunster 11/13/2011 3:00:39 AM
- THinking I should put together an update on the EU rad issue. We really don't have any answers do we? Just more questions and oddness like the cesium in Sloveniaby lillymunster 11/13/2011 3:03:05 AM
- @lillymunster, I can't get it to refresh for i131 or Cs137. But these are the first <10 minutes I've ever seen this page.by Ian 11/13/2011 3:03:42 AM
- @Ian @lillymunster once in a while when getting stuck you have to close the window and log in again.by Edano 11/13/2011 3:05:04 AM
- @you and here is a list of which country submits what data: eurdepweb.jrc.ec.europa.euby Edano 11/13/2011 3:05:58 AM
- Ah. Cesium is really spotty so there could be some outside of slovenia and we wouldn't see it as cesium on the mapby lillymunster 11/13/2011 3:07:43 AM
- @lillymunster yes, it's a bit tricky.by Edano 11/13/2011 3:08:07 AM
- austria does not submit i-131, so we cannot see their recent measurings.by Edano 11/13/2011 3:08:49 AM
- ukraine does not submit anything, neither belarus.by Edano 11/13/2011 3:10:21 AM
- They did list some in their recent press release. Let me see if I can find it.by lillymunster 11/13/2011 3:10:39 AM
- Austria press release:
The concentrations of iodine-131 are 2-120 Mikrobecquerel per cubic meter.
www.lebensministerium.atby lillymunster 11/13/2011 3:13:05 AM - Now I got it eurdepweb.jrc.ec.europa.eu to refresh. There's both dots for Cs(134, 137) both on the same spot. I'm only catching up with this, it's the same spot y'all've been posting, southern Slovenia smack dab on Krško NPP. The dot color is for the lowest level.by Ian 11/13/2011 3:13:17 AM
- @you, as well i131 on Krško too.by Ian 11/13/2011 3:14:26 AM
- @Ian co-60 tooby Edano 11/13/2011 3:14:44 AM
- and here are direct links to the national radiation stations: eurdep.jrc.ec.europa.euby Edano 11/13/2011 3:16:38 AM
- Austria says they have been finding iodine since oct 17. It has to be something leaking. Incinerating hospital waste couldn't generate a sustained level like that for that long. Could I-131 waft differently or be in larger percentages with this other stuff where the i-131 is being found but the others are not further away? Or possibly the stations that don't check for these others just are not finding it.by lillymunster 11/13/2011 3:16:53 AM
- @lillymunster i don't know, but maybe the stack filters fail on iodine but retain cesium ? is that possible ?by Edano 11/13/2011 3:19:44 AM
- Did krsko get shut down recently? I thought we found an issue with it in recent weeksby lillymunster 11/13/2011 3:25:26 AM
- @Edano, interesting question! And so suppose there's a full-scale meltdown but an excellent vapor-filtration system worked, but even the best can't catch all i131. We can probably find evidence for or against that possibility. Or would all major incidents spew out tons?by Ian 11/13/2011 3:26:34 AM
- maybe it does not need a meltdown. broken (waste) fuel rods will leak out that stuff as well.by Edano 11/13/2011 3:30:39 AM
- @Edano you mean not pick up cesium but do pick up iodine? Do they have to use a box filter to pick these up?by lillymunster 11/13/2011 3:31:02 AM
- Seeing those cesium readings around the power plant in Slovenia I am really leaning maybe that is our issue and we are just not getting clear reporting?by lillymunster 11/13/2011 3:31:44 AM
- NRC keeps a list of all US power plants and if they are in outage or what percentage they are operating at. Is there a worldwide one so we could figure out if Krsko is running right now?by lillymunster 11/13/2011 3:35:56 AM
@all Slovenian Krsko Nuclear Power Plant to Come Back Next Week
By Boris Cerni - Mar 25, 2011 7:30 AM CT www.bloomberg.comby smoss 11/13/2011 3:45:13 AM- When you first enter eurdepweb.jrc.ec.europa.eu you get a map with many oranges and other colors, dozens of dots. But when you select for i131 only, you get like three dots, and each is "detection limit", it means the most i131 is almost nothing in a couple spots around Slovenia.by Ian 11/13/2011 3:45:32 AM
- @all Interesting...from 2008 Slovenia under fire for misreporting nuclear plant shutdown(AFP) – Jun 5, 2008
afp.google.comby smoss 11/13/2011 3:46:33 AM - @lillymunster A good place to look at for info on world plants could be on this site page. Click on country names for plant names and profiles: www.world-nuclear.org
by M.I.A. 11/13/2011 3:47:43 AM - Anything other than the cesium, cobalt and iodine being found near Krsko?by lillymunster 11/13/2011 3:49:33 AM
- Thanks for the article finds Smossby lillymunster 11/13/2011 3:50:35 AM
- @lillymunster : try these:
T-GAMMA A5 nSv/h 46900
T-ALFA-ART A11 Bq/m3 3871
T-BETA-ART A11 Bq/m3 3871
I-131 A11 Bq/m3 3872
CS-137 A11 Bq/m3 1118
CS-134 A11 Bq/m3 1118
I-132 A11 Bq/m3 1118
CO-60 A11 Bq/m3 1118
eurdep.jrc.ec.europa.euby Edano 11/13/2011 3:52:10 AM - @Edano What are the A11, A5 numbers for? I'm not tracking on what the list is pulling from for location etcby lillymunster 11/13/2011 3:55:44 AM
- @lillymunster there must be an explanation somewhere, i think the data on the list must be the latest.by Edano 11/13/2011 3:57:17 AM
- can't find a5/a11 explanationby Edano 11/13/2011 4:01:30 AM
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