Japan Earthquake

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@Mona i checked the red spot - it is not next to a nuke plant.
by Edano 11/13/2011 2:30:04 PM

@Edano Ok. So if iodine come from a meltdown and it can not come from Fukushima... Can't the fission episodes (which Arnie G has talke about may be happening a long time) make an increase in Europe? I read that in March the iodine increased in Europe - since the half-life of iodine is 8 days, that must mean that the radiation take only 8 days to travel to Europe - or am I wrong?
by Mona 11/13/2011 2:32:40 PM

the violet spot is hungary - next to the nuke....
by Edano 11/13/2011 2:32:47 PM

@Mona it needs longer to travel to europe. it needs one week to travel to usa.
by Edano 11/13/2011 2:33:49 PM

and they did not measure any iodine in fukushima ...
by Edano 11/13/2011 2:35:16 PM

@Edano. Thay have I also heard. But my limited mind can't understand then how iodine can increase in Europe if the half-life is 8 days - if they discover iodine in Euope, does that not mean that iodine must take less than 8 days to travel to Europe? Did they not messure iodine in Fuku? That must be: 1. not true. Or 2. the wind blew it all out on the sea and they held their breaths just thanking (God..?) that they did not messure iodine...? Hmmm..
by Mona 11/13/2011 2:37:48 PM

Look off to the right in this image. Crumpled power line tower. This is approaching units 5 & 6. IIRC that is where they marked the power lines coming in that failed. cryptome.org
by lillymunster via Cryptome.org 11/13/2011 2:40:07 PM

@Mona you are right, there are some oddities and many lies. but i personally think it is not at all probable that the iodine stems from fuku.
by Edano 11/13/2011 2:42:39 PM

@Mona The tower is utterly mangled. It must have swung violently and probably lost footing at the same time. What is interesting is the larger lines next to it are totally unscathed. So why did this one system fail so spectacularly. I am assuming those large lines are outgoing power. I have to wonder if the incoming lines are original. There were also mentions that they didn't have enough redundant incoming power sources. Onagawa has 5 different incoming power sources. Not only did TEPCO not upgrade to add lines the one they had was totally not prepared in any way against quakes.
by lillymunster 11/13/2011 2:46:29 PM

@Edano well hope we get some answers soon. This whole secrecy way of "telling the trouth" and trying to udnerstad what they really say behind the words, remind me of the old Sovjet way of communication. Got to go - shall give my daughter a driving lesson. ;)
by Mona 11/13/2011 2:48:38 PM

I don't think they could have installed and run wires on those left towers in recent months. Constructing and wiring those big high volt towers is a long term involved project.
by lillymunster 11/13/2011 2:48:53 PM

@Lillymunster Hihi. :) But those towers - it could have been the incoming power that had gone down - then the situation could have been even worse? ;) You have an impressing brain - all of you. Keep up. :)
by Mona 11/13/2011 2:50:38 PM

they had three power lines in fuku. the line to 5&6 was the 500kV line. www.nei.org i don't have a diagram of the outgoing lines though.
by Edano 11/13/2011 2:53:57 PM

@Mona it is the incoming that went down. That caused the station blackout because all of their incoming sources went down.
by lillymunster 11/13/2011 2:54:23 PM

If you look next to the vent tower in that big photo you can see the next tower in line for that incoming power line.
by lillymunster 11/13/2011 2:55:41 PM

Looking at all the terraforming they are doing and retaining walls in that photo they must have had lots of soil movement in that area.
by lillymunster 11/13/2011 2:56:41 PM

The TEPCO reports talked about the line that comes in by 5-6 and having land subsidence issues near that line causing that one to go out. They never really talk about why the other 2 lines went down.
by lillymunster 11/13/2011 3:09:29 PM

Onagawa had 4 lines going in. They lost 3 of them during an aftershock in April.
by lillymunster 11/13/2011 3:09:52 PM

www.scribblelive.com
where is this diagram from?

Amazing, the flood just missed the control room on the 2nd floor, 1st diagram I've seen that shows location of generator in basement of turbine building. Is this the first time. Why in the heck couldn't TEPCO or Generat Electric release this on day 1????
by artnuke 11/13/2011 3:28:08 PM

@Edano that is what will get GE sued some day. They created this design at unit 1. TEPCO continued it on as they gradually took over building the newer units. With unit 1 being the "teaching" unit to show TEPCO how to build and run a NPP it implies some liability on GE's part.
by lillymunster 11/13/2011 3:30:13 PM

Pakistan responds to Poland's pointing a finger of i131 suspicion at it : ftpapp.app.com.pk
by Ian 11/13/2011 3:41:04 PM

Quote therefrom: "The release of Iodine-131 is not possible unless there is a nuclear fuel failure."
by Ian 11/13/2011 3:41:58 PM

@Ian I think Pakistan is telling the truth. The levels seen last night in Turkey are way lower than in Europe. If the sources was in Pakistan we would see higher levels in Turkey.
by lillymunster 11/13/2011 3:44:13 PM

Over 10,000 person anti-nuke protest in Fukuoka.
by Ian 11/13/2011 3:45:20 PM

@lillymunster, right, and Indian NPPs should've sounded the alarm first.
by Ian 11/13/2011 3:48:18 PM

Occupy penetrates the APEC meeting with the help of the Yes Men!!! www.yeslab.org
by bo 11/13/2011 4:08:03 PM

This is the song that Makana sang to Obama and the other world leaders.
by bo 11/13/2011 4:08:22 PM

the diagram shows the idioty of the plant design.
by Edano 11/13/2011 4:08:28 PM

Hey, someone sent an email to the group web email account. He mentioned a bottle of children's tylenol he bought in the US was made in Japan. He contacted the FDA. They told him the factory was 160km from the plant but didn't give him any sort of info on protections or import standards.
by lillymunster 11/13/2011 4:08:54 PM