
yes, more or less, though i don't know what a backscatter is :)
by Edano 11/17/2011 5:44:13 PM

So if this research reactor is similar to a commercial power reactor in that it has a dual closed loop system how did the iodine leak? Was it likely during whatever isolation process to make the medical isotopes?
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 5:44:30 PM

@ Edano.. sorry I had to step away.. the surgeries went well and i am in a rehab facility now.. good to be back here
by dean 11/17/2011 5:44:44 PM

@Edano backscatter is the term the US TSA uses to describe the xray machines they use at airports. It is a term I never heard in xray tech training in school.
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 5:45:11 PM

@dean good to see you yeaaaaaaah yippieh
by Edano 11/17/2011 5:45:42 PM

Just found this about the Budapest reactor
Systems and measures to avoid radioactive release. The sealing of the reactor hall was
strengthened to form a quasi-containment area. In addition a recirculation ventilation system was
commissioned which could be activated if the limit of radioactive release would be violated.
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 5:46:03 PM

www.kfki.hu @ Edano I thought this was the building and stack with write ups
by dean 11/17/2011 5:46:14 PM

are backscatters radioactive ? no, i thouht they use x-rays....
by Edano 11/17/2011 5:46:30 PM

:)
by dean 11/17/2011 5:46:34 PM

x-rays can be easily stopped. and they only have short length effects, 2 m distance is safe. (at least, that's what i learned)
by Edano 11/17/2011 5:49:47 PM

@Edano It is xray. They claim it is too weak to cause harm.
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 5:50:30 PM

@dean that is the correct building in Budapest. Gathering up details from that document right now. There was also a word document about the facility posted earlier.
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 5:51:23 PM


2004 reactor building at the facility
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 5:52:41 PM

I must rest for now
by dean 11/17/2011 5:53:49 PM

hmmm. you use weak x-rays to show dense materials, while you need "hard" x-rays for soft tissues, such as pulmonal. so i guess they use weak x-rays in backscatters, but it is a quite advanced technology with lots of colors on the screen, so i don't know exactly how it works.
by Edano 11/17/2011 5:55:03 PM

correction - that is the business offices. :-)
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 5:55:05 PM

@Edano nobody does. I have yet to see a technical explanation given to the public or any 3rd party review of these machines safety. We get "they are safe" because we tested them and nothing more.
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 5:56:16 PM

i guess the service people in the airport have a higher risk than the passengers, anyway.
by Edano 11/17/2011 5:57:32 PM


reactor at izotop
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 5:59:36 PM

do you know that they luckily will not introduce backscatters in the EU ? too much errors they say. but you can use it "voluntarily", if you want. haha, some people really do that.
by Edano 11/17/2011 5:59:40 PM


control room
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 6:07:44 PM

Nuclear Event in MultiCountries on Friday, 11 November, 2011 at 15:22 (03:22 PM) UTC.
Updated: Thursday, 17 November, 2011 at 17:10 UTC
Description
Hungary believes the source of low levels of radioactive iodine detected in Europe over the past few weeks was probably an isotope maker in Budapest, the U.N. nuclear agency said on Thursday. Hungary's nuclear authority told the International Atomic Energy Agency that iodine-131 had been released from the Institute of Isotopes Ltd from September 8 to November 16. "The cause of the release is under investigation," the Vienna-based IAEA said in a statement. "The levels of Iodine-131 that have been detected in Europe are extremely low. There is no health concern to the population." Iodine-131, linked to cancer if found in high doses, can contaminate products such as milk and vegetables. The IAEA, the Vienna-based U.N. nuclear watchdog, announced on Friday that the traces had been detected in Europe, after it was tipped off by authorities in the Czech Republic. Authorities in Austria, Slovakia, Hungary, Germany, Sweden, France and Poland have measured very low levels of iodine-131 in their atmospheres over the past few days.
The Hungarian institute, which produces radioisotopes for healthcare, research and industry, said earlier on Thursday that it had suspended production. Mihaly Lakatos, director of the institute, said that despite the higher than usual emission of the isotope, Hungary could not have been the source of the leakage registered in several European countries over recent weeks. "The amounts of iodine-131 measured in neighboring countries cannot have much to do with this, because the distances involved rule out that the amount we emit could be registered over there," he told Reuters.
However, Jozsef Ronaky, director of the Hungarian Atomic Energy Authority, said it was too early to draw such a firm conclusion. "It cannot be ruled out (that the institute was the source). I consider the opinion of the laboratory premature. Establishing whether the substance detected in other countries was emitted by them requires a thorough investigation," he told Reuters. Ronaky said the body, which has no oversight of the Institute of Isotopes but is the IAEA's point of contact in Hungary, has submitted all relevant Hungarian data to the U.N. nuclear watchdog. "I think it is probably us, that is the Institute of Isotopes, that is the source," he said. Ronaky said he has initiated a thorough inquiry involving the institute and national authorities to explore how potential issues of technology, oversight and communication could be addressed. The Hungarian Medical Officer Service, which is in charge of overseeing the laboratory, could not immediately comment. The Institute of Isotopes is 69-percent owned by the Hungarian Academy of Sciences, while the rest is owned by Hungarian private investors. Budapest's envoy to the U.N. agency also said earlier he could not rule out that the lab was the source. The IAEA said that if a person were to breathe in the levels for a whole year, they would receive an annual radiation dose of less than 0.1 microsieverts. In comparison, average annual background radiation is 2,400 microsieverts a year, it said.
hisz.rsoe.huby Edano 11/17/2011 6:07:57 PM


floor plan and labs
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 6:08:05 PM

Edano, where did you get the second half of that article?
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 6:11:09 PM

@lillymunster linky linked :)
hisz.rsoe.huby Edano 11/17/2011 6:11:42 PM

so the lab denies ..... or not ?
by Edano 11/17/2011 6:13:09 PM

@Edano lab seems still in denial. It is a multi owned venture between govt. academics and private investors.
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 6:13:46 PM

Compiled info posted to the group site as an update
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 6:15:59 PM

it is really very wide spread for a little lab....
by Edano 11/17/2011 6:18:14 PM

@Edano due to volume output?
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 6:19:11 PM

@Edano yes stinks of 'fob 'em off' see if people will swallow this excuse
by elainekirk 11/17/2011 6:19:24 PM

So if it isn't this lab then what?
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 6:20:45 PM

1500 km to france and sweden....
by Edano 11/17/2011 6:21:15 PM

What I found odd was this place wasn't well publicized as an isotope manufacturer. They made it sound like some tiny college reactor in facility listings and IAEA IIRC didn't list it as an isotope maker.
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 6:21:44 PM

sacrificial lamb ?
by Edano 11/17/2011 6:23:37 PM

Gov't not to permit restart of 2 reactors at Genkai plant: EdanoTOKYO, Nov. 17, Kyodo
english.kyodonews.jp by Edano 11/17/2011 6:27:20 PM

Fukushima plant awaits gov't judgment over state of cold shutdownTOKYO, Nov. 17, Kyodo
english.kyodonews.jp by Edano 11/17/2011 6:28:09 PM


english.kyodonews.jp
Worker at Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant
A worker cuts a pipe in which a high concentration of hydrogen has been detected in the No. 1 reactor building of the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant in Fukushima Prefecture, northeastern Japan, on Oct. 9, 2011. (Photo courtesy of Tokyo Electric Power Co.)(Kyodo) english.kyodonews.jp


english.kyodonews.jp
Hosono, TEPCO vice pres. at press conference
Environment Minister Goshi Hosono (R) and Zengo Aizawa, executive vice president of Tokyo Electric Power Co., attend a press conference at TEPCO's head office in Tokyo on Nov. 17, 2011. (Kyodo) english.kyodonews.jp

Gov't checking whether Fukushima plant can remain stable for yearsTOKYO, Nov. 17, Kyodo
english.kyodonews.jp by Edano 11/17/2011 6:30:28 PM

Govt official dumps radiation-contaminated soilAn Environment Ministry official has dumped radiation-contaminated soil near his home in Saitama Prefecture, near Tokyo.
Environment Minister Goshi Hosono revealed this at a news conference on Thursday.
He said a cardboard box containing the soil was sent to his ministry on November 8th from a sender who identifies himself as a resident of Fukushima City.
An enclosed message calls on the ministry to store and dispose of the soil collected from the sender's garden.
The Environment Ministry kept the soil in its warehouse, and the radiation reading taken close to it was 0.18 microsieverts per hour.
A section chief at the ministry said this is no higher than readings taken in many areas in and around Tokyo and suggested he could dispose of the soil in his own garden.
His subordinate then dumped the soil in a vacant lot near his home on Sunday.
This was revealed after another box marked as "ash" was sent to the ministry apparently from the same sender on Wednesday.
The ministry is said to have already retrieved the soil and plans to dispose of it appropriately.
Hosono said he takes the inappropriate dumping of the soil very seriously and apologized. He said it should not have happened, as his ministry has been playing a central role in efforts to clean up areas contaminated with radiation.
Hosono said he will punish the section chief and study taking punitive actions against other senior officials, including himself.
He also said sending radiation-contaminated materials to his ministry will not lead to a fundamental solution to the problem, and called on people not to do so.
Thursday, November 17, 2011 18:41 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp by Edano 11/17/2011 6:33:28 PM

saitama ?
by Edano 11/17/2011 6:33:51 PM

@Edano police himself!!! I give up
by elainekirk 11/17/2011 6:34:52 PM