Japan Earthquake

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byebye hosono.
by Edano 11/17/2011 6:35:21 PM

Govt, TEPCO predict cold shutdown this year

Japan's government and the operator of the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant say a cold shutdown of the reactors will be attained this year.

The government and the Tokyo Electric Power Company on Thursday announced the results of their monthly review of a 2-stage timetable for containing the nuclear crisis.

They said temperatures around the facility's No.1, 2 and 3 reactors are no more than 100 degrees Celsius, and that the amount of radioactive material emitted there has dropped to one 13-millionth the level detected at the time of the accident.

They also said additional exposure to radiation in areas just outside the plant is estimated at 0.1 millisieverts per year at the most.

The government and the utility are stepping up efforts to achieve the second stage of the timetable, involving a cold shutdown of the reactors.

Late last month, a shield to cover the No.1 reactor building was completed, and workers began installing walls to prevent radioactive material from leaking into seawater.

Nuclear crisis minister Goshi Hosono said comprehensive measures are vital to handle every possible occurrence. Hosono added that the government will try to beef up the cooling system of reactors to withstand earthquakes, tsunami and other disasters.

After achieving a cold shutdown of the plant's disabled reactors, the government plans to review the 20-kilometer no-entry zone around the plant.

Thursday, November 17, 2011 20:25 +0900 (JST)
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by Edano 11/17/2011 6:36:13 PM

Hosono is a self absorbed twit.
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 6:39:16 PM

Hi @edano! "Cold shutdown" rather depends on where the corium has gone, as per the diagram etc you posted at the top of the page.
by hudebnik 11/17/2011 6:39:31 PM

@hudebnik well, when the fuel is gone, you may say the empty reactor is in "cold shutdown". :)
by Edano 11/17/2011 6:41:13 PM

Ha! Precisely.
by hudebnik 11/17/2011 6:44:00 PM

Rice shipments from district in Fukushima banned

The Japanese government has ordered Fukushima Prefecture to suspended shipments of rice from a district of the prefecture as radioactive cesium higher than the state limit has been detected.

Chief Cabinet Secretary Osamu Fujimura announced on Thursday that he has told Governor Yuhei Sato of Fukushima Prefecture to restrict shipments on rice harvested this year in the Onami District of Fukushima City.

On Wednesday, the prefectural government of Fukushima announced that tests detected 630 becquerels per kilogram of radioactive cesium in rice samples from a field in the Onami District. The government's maximum permissible level for rice is 500 becquerels per kilogram.
This is the first ban imposed on rice shipments since the accident at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.

Fujimura noted that radioactive material higher than the state level was detected in pre-shipment tests and that no rice of such levels has been put on the market.

He said he has asked the governor to determine the cause of the problem and strengthen inspection on rice in and around the Onami District.

Fujimura said the government will consider lifting shipment restrictions on rice from fields as soon as tests confirm the safety of the rice.

Thursday, November 17, 2011 19:27 +0900 (JST)
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by Edano 11/17/2011 6:44:40 PM

CNN drank the thorium kool aid www.cnn.com
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 6:47:38 PM

i would like to know more about the genkai events, #4 was restarted recently, but the others are not allowed...
by Edano 11/17/2011 6:48:27 PM

@lillymunster a really stupid article. absolutely without interesting facts. not a pulitzer candidate.
by Edano 11/17/2011 7:24:50 PM

They say the Iodine 131 is from Hungary. @elainekirk, didnt you mention something about a flight restiction over that area a few days ago?
by Liz 11/17/2011 7:25:10 PM

@Hi What does this mean? Ungary – that spot with a lilac dot on the eurdepweb – says 8,16E+0.1 nSv/h in this survey from 17th of oct – how many microsivert is this? (You can put in month on the left, and then enter the code to get the table) Is this the Budapest facility AIEA talks about today? Why is eurdepweb saying Papa - nyarad (Hungary) ?
Why can’t they all use the same messure unit… It’s like using all different money values in the same country…
eurdepweb.jrc.ec.europa.eu
by Mona 11/17/2011 7:38:10 PM

@Mona I pulled up the graph for that one and the graph doesn't match the color coding. I don't know why that is showing purple. The actual facility is in Budapest metro area on the edge of town. Check out the graphs for Papa vs. one of the stations in Budapest. You can get an entire month by putting your end date in the date field then picking 1 month from the pull down menu.

Also watch out for graphs that are different increments. Double check the nSv/h number on the left side of the graph to make sure your comparing apples to apples. Yes, it is rather silly that nothing seems to be consistent.
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 7:41:12 PM

@Mona "8,16E+0.1" is not possible. wrong number ?
by Edano 11/17/2011 7:42:03 PM

@Liz IIRC Bulgaria, Russia border, Romania and Ukraine border were the no fly zones?
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 7:42:12 PM

exponent must be a whole number.
by Edano 11/17/2011 7:44:37 PM

1 microSv=1000 nSv
by Edano 11/17/2011 7:45:35 PM

@lillymunster, i thought elainekirk mentioned something about Hungary. Not sure though.
by Liz 11/17/2011 7:49:24 PM

@Liz I think we put it in an article. Let me go look
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 7:50:03 PM

It was also found that an area over the Ukraine, Serbia, Hungary and Bulgaria have been blocked from air traffic for the 13th and 14th for aerial photography. This area also lacks the detailed network of radiation detectors other countries have. There is speculation that this aerial photography is either radiation monitoring flights or blocking off a known contaminated area.
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 7:51:52 PM

I would say the air restriction was for monitoring. It takes a swath up and around right over Hungary.
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 7:52:54 PM

Im still digging in russian websites. They have so many contaminated areas it makes your skin crawl.
In Ust-Kamenogorsk detected radiation anomalies
In Ust-Kamenogorsk in a recreation area under construction discovered radioactive anomalies. Background in one of them exceeds the norm by 10 times. Despite this, the contractors did not intend to abandon the project. With new technologies, they fully protect the site. According to the draft river bed Komendantki by 2012 should be completely transformed. Here there will be cafes, playgrounds, well-maintained parks. Spend time on the river bank, for sure, many will want to ustkamenogortsy. Money for a new recreation area allocated by the Government. Work went on as scheduled, while environmentalists are not asked to deal with the identified radioactive anomalies. In the last century on the site was a processing plant. Nobody thought that there will be a residential area. Stockpiled waste right next to the building. Anomalies found only in the early 90s. Now at this point dosimeter records 215 micro-roentgen per hour at a rate of 20 micro-roentgen
Note: Ust-Kamenogorsk in East Kazakhstan region of Kazakhstan.
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by Liz 11/17/2011 8:01:46 PM

Kazan airport evacuated due to a leak of radioactive isotope
The incident took place today at 18.45.10/23/2011 According to a source in the portal ProKazan.ru Transport Police, a passenger plane with 120 people on board were transported radioactive material. However, at some point there was a leak of the isotope, which is why passengers were chetyrehgodovuyu normal radioactive radiation, the source said.
Now the airport "Kazan" completely evacuated, on-site lifeguard MOE, the entrances to the airport closed. On the site of work all the emergency services of the city and country.
According to this report MOE published on the site, in cargo plane transported three airtight metal container with an isotope 'Technetium-99 "for the X-ray images. Recipients of dangerous goods - two clinics and one in Kazan in Almetyevsk.
"As a result of increased time of delivery of dangerous goods recipients. Containers of dangerous goods are not damaged. Exceedance of radiation in the plane there. Hazards to people and the environment there," - the official website of Ministry of Emergency Situations of the RT
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by Liz 11/17/2011 8:04:55 PM

From the Department of Atomic Irony:
by Andrea C. 11/17/2011 8:07:51 PM

@Liz I wonder if that recreation area is near Semipalatinsk? People think Hanford is bad (it is) but the two Russian sites are tons worse.
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 8:14:13 PM

This might be a source for the spikes in the Ukraine?@lillymunster, did they accidentally burn contaminated waste?
In Kiev, the radiation levels recorded in excess of the rate of 200 times
Employees incinerator "Energy" in Kiev, recorded elevated levels of radiation in one of their garbage at passing control. The press service of the company "Kyivenergo", which includes the company. "October 3, at the incineration plant" Energy "equipment worked" Cordon ", which checks the trash for radioactive contamination - said in a statement. - The radiation level was 53.8 micro-roentgen per hour instead of the maximum allowable 30 microroentgens per hour. " Garbage truck with radiation waste was transported to a special parking area, and on October 4 commission of experts of the Ministry of Emergencies and health services has identified an immediate source of radiation, background radiation is 200 times higher than normal and was 6000 micro-roentgen per hour. Garbage was disposed of properly at the enterprise "Radon".
Note that the site "Dalnitskie career" in Odessa for the past three years, similar cases were not. This is related by the main expert in the Environmental Protection Company "Soyuz" Faina Pavlyuchenko. "To determine the radioactivity of waste exporting to landfill Ltd." The Union "is used appliance radiometer-dosimeter of gamma and beta radiation. We check every vehicle which is imported waste. First, we measure the background levels at a distance of about 200 meters from the landfill, and then go metering machines, "- said the expert. According to the Faina Pavlyuchenko, data obtained from these surveys are recorded without fail. "If the high background radiation yet recorded in these cases is caused by an extraordinary commission, and, of course, the waste to landfills not miss. Such cases, we did not have "- she added.
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by Liz 11/17/2011 8:14:24 PM

Oops. Is anyone aware of the fact that most of Hungary's mid-to-top level nuclear scientists live very close to the KFKI facility, on Eotvos Ut. at Normafa. If I could make it work, I could show you on Google satellite, but I am too technically challenged. This part of Budapest is very green and exclusive. The scientists have literally irradiated themselves this time!
by Andrea C. 11/17/2011 8:15:30 PM

@Andrea C. try google maps to locate the exact spot then click on street view or use that to grab the coordinates. Maps is easier than Google Earth.
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 8:35:11 PM

@Liz Hmm could be? Link went to the main page. Do you have a direct link for that?
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 8:37:51 PM

RTockhoppers translation for us
here are the Fukushima worker's tweets.

1) His radiation exposure is almost up to limit. So, he might have to
work outside the site. He is not sure until when he works at the
Fukushima.
2) Someone asked him whether some people fake their radiation exposure
data because they don't want to lose their job. He wrote that it can
be done, but it's against the regulation, and of course bad for
health. Yet, he admitted that there might have been many faking data,
and the cases may increase. He wrote that it's understandable given
the fact that a majority of workers are not permanent workers (i.e.,
they need to work to get paid.). He went on to say that TEPCO/gov
should change hiring system, insurance, and other system; otherwise,
this kind of cheating will increase.
3) Needless to say, TEPCO and contractors are concerned about how to
get workers. (So, it's kind of vicious cycle, I think. Labor shortage
-> companies won't be strict about exposure check -> workers fake up
data. Bad work environment -> people don't want to work at the
Fukushima -> labor shortage)
by elainekirk 11/17/2011 8:43:28 PM

This should be the directlink @lillymunster translate.googleusercontent.com
by Liz 11/17/2011 9:09:28 PM

Hi, Liz: I'm so embarrassed to be asking about such a basic thing, but I can't seem to be able to add my PNG image to my post. I went Google Maps prnt scrn - Word clipboard - Photoviewer & Paint for cropped version - save as picture file (PNG). Is there any way to get my picture to appear? Thank you!
by Andrea C. 11/17/2011 9:51:41 PM

Ahhhhhh! I meant lilymunster, sorry!
by Andrea C. 11/17/2011 9:52:31 PM

@Andrea C. try then saving it as a .jpg from paint
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 9:53:38 PM

Here is the Budapest map:
by Andrea C. 11/17/2011 10:01:42 PM

@Andrea C. hi do you tweet
by elainekirk 11/17/2011 10:09:34 PM

Or not. I'm not smart enough for this. I have a jpg file saved on my hard drive. I just don't know how to attach it my post. Oh, well, and thanks for trying to help the hopeless, lilymunster! Sorry, I don't tweet. I'm a silly luddite.
by Andrea C. 11/17/2011 10:10:17 PM

@Andrea C. if you can tweet the pic I can put it on here or you can tweet it to @ElaineKirk
by elainekirk 11/17/2011 10:10:25 PM

@Andrea C. Oh I think I know. If you don't see an upload link to the upper right of the box you type in then you don't have access to uploading images. You can email it to info@simplyinfo.org and I can post it.
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 10:11:40 PM

@Andrea C. I should have thought of the email good thinking @Lilly glad you are on the ball
by elainekirk 11/17/2011 10:13:48 PM

@ all - something huge is going on in the US right now. Blocked bridges in a bunch of major cities. 10k people in NYC amassed near foley square. Huge march in Boston. Putting what I find over on Organize
by lillymunster 11/17/2011 10:37:20 PM