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  • Chk out this memo. Will try to find the suggestion letters referenced. One thing I notice on searches is that you have to back door 'em, sometimes. Search the NRC site under the commissioners names, or the committee (ACRS): pbadupws.nrc.gov
    by M.I.A. 12/13/2011 6:11:35 PM

  • In the NRC report from July. Going through the summary found this. It would require new seismic testing. I would guess these aging old reactors do not want to have to prove they can resist a quake since we know they probably can't.

    • Initiate rulemaking to require licensees to confirm seismic hazards and flooding hazards
    every 10 years and address any new and significant information. If necessary, update
    the design basis for SSCs important to safety to protect against the updated hazards.
    (Section 4.1.1—detailed recommendation 2.2)
    by lillymunster 12/13/2011 6:12:05 PM

  • @M.I.A. what is ACRS? answering my own question :-)
    Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguard
    by lillymunster 12/13/2011 6:12:27 PM

  • The memo hints at questions with licensing issues. Lily, it's the Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards
    by M.I.A. 12/13/2011 6:13:35 PM

  • @M.I.A. the whole licensing scheme especially relicensing is a joke. The NRC has admitted in various petition cases that the relicensing is strictly looking at economics and that kind of thing, not reactor safety and aging. So even if an aging report is done it doesn't clearly impact if a plant will get a new operating license.
    by lillymunster 12/13/2011 6:15:04 PM

  • I anxious to hear any comments from @All about the 'hisz.roe.hu' alert map-severe Biological Hazard link I posted about 12 minutes ago.
    by MaryW 12/13/2011 6:16:55 PM

  • Another portion from the July report that could be at issue:

    Initiate rulemaking to revise 10 CFR 50.63 to require each operating and new reactor licensee to (1) establish a minimum coping time of 8 hours for a loss of all ac power, (2) establish the equipment, procedures, and training necessary to implement an “extended loss of all ac” coping time of 72 hours for core and spent fuel pool cooling and for reactor
    coolant system and primary containment integrity as needed, and (3) preplan and
    prestage offsite resources to support uninterrupted core and spent fuel pool cooling, and
    reactor coolant system and containment integrity
    as needed, including the ability to deliver the equipment to the site in the time period allowed for extended coping, under conditions involving significant degradation of offsite transportation infrastructure associated with significant natural disasters. (Section 4.2.1—detailed recommendation 4.1)
    by lillymunster 12/13/2011 6:17:56 PM

  • I think this is the oct. 13th letter to nrc from acrs pbadupws.nrc.gov
    by M.I.A. 12/13/2011 6:19:42 PM

  • Haven't read much of it yet, and the baby just woke up (sigh)
    by M.I.A. 12/13/2011 6:20:13 PM

  • @MaryW I missed it at first. Update on the October report of these seal deaths. No mention of testing them for radiation. There was a significant radiation dispersal in Russian waters within a month of the disaster. We talked about the possibility of this being some sort of radiation induced problem.

    Mary, if you find more information on this please make sure I get it. I can check some Veterinary channels to see if more information is out there or contact the groups/people in charge to get more details and find out if any radiation related testing has been done. I really thought this would resolve itself by now and might have been one isolated group of seals.
    by lillymunster 12/13/2011 6:21:56 PM

  • On the NRC report. Having an offisite location that can be safe and the equipment to bring in heavy equipment immediately after said disaster would require building a hardened facility elsewhere, vehicles capable of off road travel, helicopters and heavy equipment to clear paths to get this stuff on site. Think about all the things they were scrambling to get on site even during the first week of the disaster. I wonder how much a new transport helicopter costs?
    by lillymunster 12/13/2011 6:24:22 PM

  • @lillymunster Thanks for taking the time to read and comment. I know I jumped in off the topic of discussion. (maybe too much coffee:)
    by MaryW 12/13/2011 6:27:06 PM

  • Again from the July NRC report:
    • Initiate rulemaking or licensing activities or both to require the actions related to the spent fuel pool described in detailed recommendations 7.1–7.4. (Section 4.2.5—detailed
    recommendation 7.5)

    It was mentioned the NRC thought the overloaded spent fuel pools need to be dealt with. This means lots of on site bunkers for spent fuel. How much does a bunker and casks cost? How many assemblies are in some of the largest/oldest units?
    by lillymunster 12/13/2011 6:28:02 PM

  • UPDATE1: Panel sees nuclear power generation costs higher than 2004 estimate

    TOKYO, Dec. 13, Kyodo

    A government panel on Tuesday said in a draft report that nuclear power generation costs 8.9 yen per kilowatt hour when including expenses associated with nuclear accidents, higher than a 2004 projection of 5.9 yen per kwh.

    The new estimate, calculated by considering the result of a nuclear accident at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant, showed that nuclear power is still one of the cheapest energy sources. But the report noted that 8.9 yen is the ''minimum'' cost of nuclear power as the total damage costs of a severe nuclear accident are yet unclear.

    According to the draft report, the cost of electricity from coal-powered thermal plants is estimated at 9.5 yen per kwh and from liquefied natural gas-powered thermal plants at 10.7 yen per kwh, reflecting higher fuel prices. In the 2004 projection, the cost of electricity from coal-fed plants was pegged at 5.7 yen per kwh, and from LNG-fired plants at 6.2 yen per kwh.

    As for renewable energy sources, costs of wind power generation on land are estimated at between 9.9 and 17.3 yen per kwh, and of household solar power at 33.4 yen to 38.3 yen per kwh.

    In 2030, thermal power generation costs are expected to further increase, while the cost of wind and solar power generation are projected to drop to as low as 8.8 and 9.9 yen per kwh, respectively, amid expected market expansion. The cost of nuclear power generation is estimated to stay at 8.9 yen per kwh.

    The calculation is part of the process of reviewing the country's energy policy following the Fukushima Daiichi plant disaster, the worst nuclear accident since the 1986 Chernobyl disaster. The March catastrophe has made the Japanese people increasingly cautious about relying heavily on nuclear power.

    Under the national energy plan endorsed in June 2010, the country's reliance on nuclear energy was projected to increase to 53 percent of total power supply by 2030, from about 30 percent before the Fukushima accident.

    Based on the report to be issued by the panel later this month, the government is expected to come up with the best combination of power sources for the country, or what is known as the ''energy best mix.''

    The latest estimate is different from the 2004 figures because it has counted in what the panel calls social expenses, in addition to capital, fuel and operation and maintenance costs.

    Social expenses are included in costs for nuclear power generation in the form of accident risk costs, and for thermal power generation in the form of costs to deal with carbon dioxide emissions.

    Nuclear accident risk costs are estimated at 0.5 yen per kwh, according to the draft report, which noted that expense could increase further depending on the value of damage caused by a severe nuclear accident.

    So far, the panel estimates damage costs to be at least 5.8 trillion yen, drawing on the Fukushima accident, which erupted in the wake of the March 11 megaquake and tsunami. But that figure does not include, for example, expenses related to cleaning radiation-contaminated land around the plant.

    The 2004 cost projections were calculated as 5 to 6 yen per kwh for nuclear power generation, 5 to 7 yen per kwh for coal-fired power generation, and 6 to 7 yen per kwh for LNG-fired plants, but the latest estimates revised the figures to 5.9 yen, 5.7 yen and 6.2 yen, respectively, to make them comparable.

    ==Kyodo english.kyodonews.jp
    by Edano 12/13/2011 6:28:09 PM

  • Nuclear disaster response recommendations shelved 10 days after explosion

    TOKYO, Dec. 14, Kyodo

    The government shelved the Nuclear Safety Commission's proposal to evacuate residents around the damaged Fukushima Daiichi power plant and provide iodine to them after receiving a forecast on the spread of radioactive materials, government sources said Tuesday.

    The government determined that it would be too late to take such measures as around 10 days had already passed since the first of a series of hydrogen explosions occurred at the Fukushima complex, the sources said.

    The forecast was based on data from a government computer system known as the System for Prediction of Environmental Emergency Dose Information, or SPEEDI, designed to predict the spread of radioactive materials released in a nuclear plant accident. The prime minister's office received the first SPEEDI-based report on March 23, according to the sources.

    The government has been criticized for not being able to put the SPEEDI data to faster use after the March 11 earthquake and tsunami triggered the nuclear crisis.

    A government panel investigating the crisis is now examining the details of the delay in utilizing the data, according to the sources.

    ==Kyodo english.kyodonews.jp
    by Edano 12/13/2011 6:30:04 PM

  • The NRC July report also talks of extensive new training to assure staff know and can implement new emergency procedures and equipment. Also new equipment, facilities and communications gear to deal with an extended SBO
    by lillymunster 12/13/2011 6:32:12 PM

  • Japan's emissions grow in FY2010

    Japan's Environment Ministry says the nation's greenhouse gas emissions grew last year for the first time in 3 years.

    The ministry blames the rise during fiscal 2010 ending in March on the recovering economy, which is consuming more energy.

    The ministry said that Japan pumped out the equivalent of one billion 256 million tons of carbon dioxide in fiscal 2010, up 3.9 percent from the previous fiscal year.

    Industrial emissions grew 8.5 percent from a year ago, while those from households rose 6.8 percent and the transport sector 0.9 percent.

    The ministry said Japan's economic recovery since the global financial crisis of 2008 is behind the industrial sector growth.

    It added that emissions from households grew because of last year's hot summer and cold winter.

    Under the Kyoto Protocol, Japan is required to cut emissions by 6 percent from the 1990 levels by 2012.

    Environment minister Goshi Hosono said the government still hopes to achieve that goal by introducing alternative energy and asking the public to cut energy use.

    But he warned that Japan may face a difficult situation in the coming 2 years due to the Fukushima nuclear accident.

    Tuesday, December 13, 2011 12:49 +0900 (JST)
    www3.nhk.or.jp
    by Edano 12/13/2011 6:34:04 PM

  • blame it to the weather and the economical crisis.
    by Edano 12/13/2011 6:35:35 PM

  • seems their one and only plan to reduce emissions was to build more nukes. game over, kyoto.
    by Edano 12/13/2011 6:37:29 PM

  • Canada announces withdrawal from Kyoto Protocol

    Canada says it is pulling out of the Kyoto Protocol, the first country to formally do so. The protocol mandates industrialized countries to cut greenhouse gas emissions.

    Canada's environment minister Peter Kent told reporters on Monday in Ottawa that the protocol doesn't cover the world's largest emitters, the United States and China, and therefore cannot work.

    The news follows a deal struck at the UN climate conference, or COP17, in Durban, which closed on Sunday. The talks agreed to extend the protocol after its 2012 deadline while putting a new framework covering all major emitters into effect in 2020.

    Canada was critical of the protocol during the talks, saying that Kyoto is the past.

    Canada ratified the protocol in 2002 under the then Liberal government.

    The current conservative government faces strong criticism from environmentalists for promoting the booming oil sand industry. Critics say the refining process produces huge amounts of greenhouse gases.

    Tuesday, December 13, 2011 11:59 +0900 (JST)
    www3.nhk.or.jp
    by Edano 12/13/2011 6:39:11 PM

  • Recommended Orders, these were the near term things they suggested:
    Seismic, flooding and design basis - new testing of each. Walkdown for water tight barriers and seals until more analysis can be done. Equipment protection for design basis accidents until more analysis is done. Hardened vents on mark 1 and mark II BWR units. I think this is new as Mark II I think were exempt on the hardened venting in the US. New monitoring equipment for spent fuel pool that can withstand disaster for the control rooms. Back up power source for spent fuel pool cooling. Add a spray system to the spent fuel pools that can be accessed outside by a fire truck to pump water. Back up power for spent fuel pool make up water system. Plant technical specs must conform to all these new changes. ERDS monitoring, command systems to handle multi unit emergency. Lots of talk about handling multi unit disasters. So the NRC hadn't thought of this before? This is the "short term" list
    by lillymunster 12/13/2011 6:43:14 PM

  • if they cancel the kyoto treaty, they won't have to pay the mull for not reaching the reduction aim in 2012. this turns the kyoto protocol into senselessness. i bet japan will follow soon. before year's end. 10,000 bucks ;)
    by Edano 12/13/2011 6:43:20 PM

  • Long term considerations: hardened vents for other types of reactors. I wonder if they could even be put in other designs? Changes to prevent seismic fire and flood. How many reactors are near the coasts? Consider hydrogen control ideas for containment and related buildings. Update equipment for emergency responders. Command, control and staff qualifications to handle a SBO. Be able to send ERDS data via satellite. Review onsite and offsite resources to be able to respond during a major natural disaster. Real time rad monitoring on site and in plant evac zone area in place with back up power and internet capability. Update protective iodine program with local authorities. This is the suggestions from July for longer term actions. Some of these sound minor but represent huge costs and programs. Like new offsite emergency equipment facilities. Things like new design basis, tsunami protection on coastal plants may show many plants won't conform.....
    by lillymunster 12/13/2011 6:51:19 PM

  • We need to find that NRC Oct 13 ACRS document. It may have hints about what the NRC is up to. I will start looking here in a few minutes. If anyone finds it first please let me know.
    by lillymunster 12/13/2011 6:58:30 PM

  • @lillymunster, it was a section long ago I thought might fall. Heck, long ago we thought with good reason the whole building might topple over. Unit 4's holding up has been a bright spot in all this. Your reply below seems to indicate there was handout you meant to link to.
    by Ian 12/13/2011 7:00:53 PM

  • SECY-11-0093 the paper on actions to be taken without delay (i.e., SECY-11-0124); and in the subsequent paper on the Prioritization of Recommended Actions (I.e., SECY-11-0137) refrenced in this follow-up recommendation letter: pbadupws.nrc.gov
    by M.I.A. 12/13/2011 7:03:16 PM

  • November NRC document pbadupws.nrc.gov

    Expedite SBO changes for plants.
    added to the October list of tier 1 actions:
    g flooding hazard reevaluations,
    integrated walkdowns, station blackout, boiling water reactor (BWR) hardened vents, shared ventilation systems, hydrogen control and mitigation, spent fuel pools (SFPs), and integration of onsite emergency actions
    Make command, control and staff qualifications for emergencies a tier 1
    Tier 2 additions of instrumentation for reactor and containment
    by lillymunster 12/13/2011 7:03:31 PM

  • @Ian sorry must have forgot the link TEPCO doc www.tepco.co.jp
    by lillymunster 12/13/2011 7:04:12 PM

  • @M.I.A. how were you searching for these? Just the main NRC home page?
    by lillymunster 12/13/2011 7:06:32 PM

  • This probably isn't news to y'all, but the ex-Tepco head's illness was announced as esophageal cancer www.heraldsun.com.au They say it's probably not related, and I'd have to agree. If it was a fast-onset cancer like leukemia, I'd suspect a connection, but hard cancers take years to set in. However, a career of working in NPPs (if that's what his career involved) could have been a factor.
    by Ian 12/13/2011 7:07:33 PM

  • FOUND IT! Oct 13 recommendations of task force
    pbadupws.nrc.gov
    by lillymunster 12/13/2011 7:11:57 PM

  • @Ian I think he was career at the NPPs not working in the offices in Tokyo. So he could have long career exposure. Someone mentioned he smoked or smokes. I am sure the stress of the last 9 months has not been great for his health either.
    by lillymunster 12/13/2011 7:13:12 PM

  • From the Oct 13th document:
    Add - new criteria for determining flooding risk.
    Add - flooding should include floods from storms
    add- require plants to prove they can handle extended SBO
    add - hydrogen control for all BWR mark 1 & 2, hardened vents for both
    add - plants provide details on installing new SFP equipment requirements
    add - additional standards on SBO coping plans
    add- BWR mark 1 & 2 must have gas handling for reactor buildings also
    add - access safety of shared vent stacks & shared vent systems
    add - onsite emergency must handle fires also
    add- reactor & containment instruments able to handle beyond design basis accidents
    NRC should participate in forensics to study fuku disaster

    Not totally sure on this one but it looks like containment pressure margins would be changed and more restrictive
    Licensing actions requiring the granting of containment accident pressure (CAP) credit
    should be suspended until the implications of post-Fukushima containment pressure control
    measures are understood
    by lillymunster 12/13/2011 7:26:12 PM

  • I'm starting to see why the US nuke industry is having a complete spaz. :-)

    Maybe Exelon's attempt to split off their nukes was to try to get out of that liability before the new rules go into effect?
    by lillymunster 12/13/2011 7:31:03 PM

  • @lillymunster This little item catches my attention. It's so much easier to put in time spans. Performance-based response to SBO might include the helicopters, etc., you mentioned in earlier post. "a. Performance-based criteria to mitigate and manage an extended SBO should be
    considered as an alternative to the specific coping times proposed in Recommendation"
    by M.I.A. 12/13/2011 7:33:18 PM

  • They want to revisit the idea of shared stacks for units. Seems like the expense of that was one of the sticking points for Vermont Yankee? or maybe it was Indian Point... sorry, getting old :-(
    by M.I.A. 12/13/2011 7:36:24 PM

  • @M.I.A. I can't remember either... Vent stacks were at issue a couple of places. Does Indian Point have 2 reactors? If so they only have one concrete vent stack.
    by lillymunster 12/13/2011 7:37:38 PM

  • @M.I.A. I would assume performance based would mean a specific unit would have to prove ability to get a resource on site appropriately as a focus rather than "yea we can get it there in 24 hours". From reading NRC reports I see lots of operators trying to get away with giving unverified assurances for things like this.
    by lillymunster 12/13/2011 7:39:34 PM

  • Tomorrow 1st meeting to discuss implementation of the task force suggestions. www.nrc.gov
    Hardened vents related to FUkushima task force on 15th
    Spent fuel pool related to Fuku meeting on 15th later in day

    Also an upcoming review of the MOX facility in the US.
    A review in January to change environmental review portion of relicensing
    New emergency preparedness rules meeting in Feb
    by lillymunster 12/13/2011 7:42:09 PM

  • @lillymunster Yes, that's what I was trying to say :)
    by M.I.A. 12/13/2011 7:42:19 PM

  • @M.I.A. I am seeing lots of things that sound benign on paper until you start looking at actually applying them at certain reactors based on what we know of them
    by lillymunster 12/13/2011 7:47:16 PM

  • @lillymunster Oooh, a biggie: 3. Licensing actions requiring the granting of containment accident pressure (CAP) credit
    should be suspended until the implications of post-Fukushima containment pressure control
    measures are understood.
    by M.I.A. 12/13/2011 7:50:01 PM

  • @M.I.A. any idea what that specifically entails?
    by lillymunster 12/13/2011 7:51:06 PM

  • Hmm wondering if I can get back to the office by 10am tomorrow to catch the NRC meeting. BTW they are NOT webcasting them. Just teleconference.
    by lillymunster 12/13/2011 7:53:31 PM

  • Not a clue ha ha. No, seriously, I know it is a way to 'grade' plants on eccs in an accident. Again, I didn't get to read whole paper, but I did look for it prior to posting and came up with this. Running after my grandson is very time consuming, but I don't like to stick him in a playpen. LINK: www.nrc.gov
    by M.I.A. 12/13/2011 7:55:21 PM

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