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@Majj I do the double posting all the time too-no worries:)
by MaryW 12/14/2011 10:29:41 PM

Hello you decent people :-)

On Fairewinds there's also the transcript of that 'China Syndrome' video: fairewinds.com

I don't get why the folk on enenews start picking on him ? His primary aim is to describe the progression from meltdown to 'china syndrome'.
Up to now I do trust him when he says that that 'molten blob' is relevantly cooler and therfore uncapable by now to melt through the remaining concrete -(assuming there would be another (?m) 7m to go) - but he also remarks that it's all suppositions as noone can tell what the situation really looks like.

Still I would have liked to know: what could be the maximun size/amount of that 'blob' and how is the presuming temperature decaying over the time.
by Vivre 12/14/2011 10:31:10 PM

Journalist finds Tokyo indoor dust contaminated with cesium at 1,730 Bq/kg — Scientist: Dust with Fukushima fallout is the source of human radiation exposure (VIDEO) enenews.com
by Majj 12/14/2011 10:31:12 PM

@Vivre, the lunatic fringe will be very upset with Arnie's good news! There's gotta be an ensuing China-syndrome volcano and apocalyptic catastrophe, none of this, "It's not the end of the world" talk.
by Ian 12/14/2011 10:36:22 PM

@Ian - thanks - that gives me a relieve not having lost my understanding yet completely ;-)
btw - your last vid was very informative and I'm always astonished about your appointed and calm polite way
by Vivre 12/14/2011 10:49:17 PM

@Vivre, hay thanks! :)
Here's the clear argument I see from Arnie's video: if there's not been a groundwater-corium explosion by now, it's not dug deep enough to hit groundwater, and if it's not dug deep enough by this point in time, it's not going to be digging any deeper due to its significant relative cooling, and so it's not going to hit groundwater. I bet that's the case!
by Ian 12/14/2011 11:03:53 PM

new upload by redbuttonstudio
Busby, Ditta Rietuma and the Radioactive Baltic Sea - www.youtube.com
"The sediment has up to 100,000Bq/sq metre according to HELCOM The EU INTERREG grants refused in 2010 to fund their examination of the health effects of the most radioactive sea in the world even though the Finland cancer registry director admitted that cancer rates are (inexplicably) high near the coast. The Swedish Cancer registry refuses so far to give data which can be used to examine the issue. ..."
by Vivre 12/14/2011 11:04:44 PM

@Ian - yes, I had similar thoughts in the last months and I think it's more dangerous that external water could enter - regarding e.g. all these earthquakes and possible crackings.
by Vivre 12/14/2011 11:08:05 PM

I have not watched the new fairewinds video yet. Does he say how far down groundwater likely is?
by lillymunster 12/14/2011 11:10:47 PM

Japan TV Announcer: We can no longer expect anything from gov’t… We must change this country — Worries about his security. enenews.com
by Majj 12/14/2011 11:19:11 PM

@lillymunster - hi - no he doesn't give any hints on how deep a coherent blop might have progressed
by Vivre 12/14/2011 11:19:36 PM

@Majj I saw his tweets today and wondered what was up.

@Vivre - hi! Thanks. I hope they get cameras on site soon to go looking
by lillymunster 12/14/2011 11:22:35 PM

"Now They Tell Us" Series: Radioactive Cesium Fallout in Fukushima from March to June Was 6.83 Million Becquerels
"It took only 9 months for the Ministry of Education and Science to finally disclose the number for Fukushima Prefecture. The Ministry is yet to say anything about Miyagi Prefecture. ...
Still, the number is only for radioactive cesium (134 and 137). No word about radioactive iodine, or about any other nuclide."
ex-skf.blogspot.com
by Vivre 12/14/2011 11:33:19 PM

So what is up in Japan right now? Lots of people suddenly spewing the truth or tidbits of it. The media has been rather critical lately, calling TEPCO on their tsunami did it routine. Govt. officials admitting nobody trusts them. Hints nobody is going home to the 50 mSv/yr places.
by lillymunster 12/14/2011 11:34:28 PM

From Vivre's link: " Well, by releasing the data, albeit very late, the Ministry makes it rather clear that the measuring station in Fukushima was just fine, and it had the data."

And this:
The Ministry of Education and Science's press release on December 14 (Japanese only) simply states the reason for the disclosure now as "The results just came in", on top of page 2.
by lillymunster 12/14/2011 11:37:30 PM

I have a very bad feeling.
by lillymunster 12/14/2011 11:37:48 PM

@lillymunster - it could be a tactical step to release some of the 'national' pressure that starts worrying them seriously
- or an indirect adressing to other contries

remember - in 2 days the 'japanes cold shutdown' needs to be swallowed ;-)
by Vivre 12/14/2011 11:43:04 PM

@Vivre this radiation data is really bad news. The article you posted has more detail. The levels are quite high, they had the data all along yet only released it now so it is an admission they were lying. Maybe it is bad news/good news trying to make the bad news look better by announcing cold shutdown?
by lillymunster 12/14/2011 11:45:37 PM

So with this new radiation data are these levels enough to change the potential for people to have health problems? I am still trying to wrap my head around the numbers in the report vs. exposures
by lillymunster 12/14/2011 11:48:24 PM

If anyone thinks an english translation of the report would be useful let me know. I should be able to get a translation done if needed
by lillymunster 12/14/2011 11:50:30 PM

I enjoyed watching Arnie Gunderson's latest presentation. Most of the lunatic fringe online seems to be made up of hardcore libertarians, fundies, and similar types who are desperate to gain acceptance and credibility online and IRW. Fukushima has provided them with the perfect excuse to indulge in their favourite midnight paranoid fantasies. I still hold groups with real power in the establishment in greater contempt, such as the Union of Concerned Scientists, who are to nuclear power activism what Ducks Unlimited is to nature conservation.
by Andrea C. 12/14/2011 11:51:46 PM

@Andrea C. did he dispel the myth that aliens did Fukushima? :-)
by lillymunster 12/14/2011 11:55:57 PM

great aliens :lol:

did you notice this article from 11.12?

Radiation levels to drop to 3/4 in 1 year, 1/2 in 3 years
"Scientists made a shocking finding in early November at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant's No. 2 reactor: They detected radioactive xenon, which indicated that nuclear fission was still occurring."
ajw.asahi.com
by Vivre 12/14/2011 11:58:45 PM

@lillymunster - heh, heh...I think he'll tackle that in his next presentation.
by Andrea C. 12/14/2011 11:59:04 PM

@Vivre knew of the xenon, didn't see the rad leveldrops
by lillymunster 12/15/2011 12:00:55 AM

@Vivre The title of that article gets me everytime I see it! Do the math...it is totally incorrect, unless there is an increase in radiation in year #2
by MaryW 12/15/2011 12:01:49 AM

@lillymunster - I've have no idea why they're releasing some datas now, but I'm sure it's for a deliberate self-benefit. Maybe they have encreasing leaks in their own rows and trying to stay beforehand.

... and whatever the datas show (which I can't valuate), I'm sure the situation is very severe and already points of no return (-ing the effects) for many many people
by Vivre 12/15/2011 12:09:29 AM

March 18th, 2011 - Accident progression at Fukushima Reactor 4 SFP MELCOR Request. enformable.com
by Majj 12/15/2011 12:20:03 AM

@MaryW - true! - I don't like the 'feel' it delivers, that the decrease could be straight-line
We do have enough evidence that living with low-dose radiation is vastly unhealthy and move the people out of these regions first and look (years?) later how and where recovery could be achived.
by Vivre 12/15/2011 12:30:18 AM

@lillymunster SimplyInfo, Unit 4 at Daiichi Cut Off, didn't fall Off. (and your pictures) Dec 13.2011. Source for ENENEWS article. enenews.com
by MaryW 12/15/2011 12:46:55 AM

@lillymunster Sorry my mistake.... enenews.com
by MaryW 12/15/2011 12:49:49 AM

a drop of good news on the way - even people being far off start realising the intolerable usage of nuc-power

Fukushima disaster puts Indian nuclear plant on hold
"If residents in a southern Indian community didn't know anything about nuclear power--even with a plant being built in their backyard--the disaster at Fukushima came as a rude wake-up call.
...
In August, some residents went on a hunger strike, calling for its suspension. About 40,000 people blocked the plant's entrance for three days the following month.
Protesters have since barred buses that carried plant workers to and from their dormitory some 16 kilometers away.
...
"All of a sudden, (residents) have started saying, 'No, we don't need a nuclear power plant,'
...
The project had faced opposition from the start, but protests intensified after the Fukushima No. 1 plant was damaged
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A group of protesters in Koodankulam has sent an open letter to the United States, Russia and France, telling them not to sell nuclear power plants to India.
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"While Japanese citizens are suffering from the accident, how can you talk about the nuclear power business, selling the same technology to others?"
...
Opposition has also grown in Jaitapur, in the eastern state of Maharashtra, where six reactors are planned with assistance from France.
...
In Indonesia, prone to earthquakes, several nuclear power plant projects have been put on hold since the accident.
..."
ajw.asahi.com
by Vivre 12/15/2011 12:59:48 AM

@lillymunster - a private drop of good news 'cos I mentioned it before - my mum's surgery was successfull and resulted no further bad news. She recovers well and comes home tomorrow. ~ I'm glad and btw. fed up with daily hospital ;)

I'll take my leave for this night and wish you all well ~ sy
by Vivre 12/15/2011 1:16:48 AM

@Vivre Have a good night. Glad your mum will be home for the holidays!
by MaryW 12/15/2011 1:18:34 AM

@Vivre just back in. Thanks for the good news,could sure use some today! Glad your mom is on the mend.
by lillymunster 12/15/2011 1:20:46 AM

@lillymunster take a look at the enenews post I posted to you about 45 minutes back.
by MaryW 12/15/2011 1:22:29 AM

@MaryW - thanks - and yes the chrismas preparations where one of her major concerns
~ :waving smily: ~
by Vivre 12/15/2011 1:23:34 AM

@MaryW i just saw that cool!
by lillymunster 12/15/2011 1:36:44 AM

Fukushima Geology and Groundwater. www.physicsforums.com
by MaryW 12/15/2011 1:39:10 AM

Nuke Reactor Shutdowns Fueling Fears Over Power Supply (Korea) Dec 15.2011. Government on alert over country's power supply. The nation's power reserve ratio fell to 8% around 9:50 am Wednesday. Seven nuclear reactor malfunctions have halted operation this year. english.donga.com
by MaryW 12/15/2011 2:33:30 AM

Headline: Japan government admits ,missed its best chance to take evacuation measures! Evacuation Proposal Shelved 11 DAYS After First Blast. Dec 15.2011. www.japantimes.co.jp
by MaryW 12/15/2011 2:43:06 AM

So anyone remember when the government of Japan recommended the iodine tablets. Looks like it may have been after the 8-day half life of radioactive iodine. What an incompetent government.
by MaryW 12/15/2011 2:52:32 AM

@MaryW They sort of suggested them for some but told people confusing instructions and told people to consult their doctor about taking them. In the middle of a major disaster.
by lillymunster 12/15/2011 3:20:56 AM

Japan May Declare Control of Reactors, Over Serious Doubts www.nytimes.com
by lillymunster 12/15/2011 3:22:55 AM

Two small bits of good news out of the evac zone:

www4.pref.fukushima.jp www4.pref.fukushima.jp
by lillymunster via Www4.pref.fukushima.jp 12/15/2011 3:34:52 AM