
I will go look
by dean 2/7/2012 8:16:22 PM

on that diagram below the placement of the wording "reactor spray system" seems too low, I thought the spray system, the visible on a you tube video, was the upper one and the feed water was lower
by dean 2/7/2012 8:21:44 PM

264 gal/hr*hr/60min = something alittle over 4 gallons per min.. not much
by dean 2/7/2012 8:22:50 PM


@dean I thought there were 3? A spray that is up rather high in the well, then the 2 in the illustration?
by lillymunster 2/7/2012 8:24:43 PM

@UKVal I thought it generally appropriate to what we do here. :-)
by lillymunster 2/7/2012 8:25:03 PM

@dean 4 gallons a minute out of one of those sprayers would be about a steady dribble.
by lillymunster 2/7/2012 8:25:54 PM

perhaps looking at it wrong.. hmmmm
by dean 2/7/2012 8:31:08 PM

@lilly. I think that's right.. perhaps another print will show the spray system... just trying to be sure where the water is going.. if it's the feed water system I think that pipe goes in and then down
by dean 2/7/2012 8:32:30 PM


shroud. The core spray is in or on this in the RPV
by lillymunster 2/7/2012 8:32:49 PM

Does this help at all?
uka Kobayashi, a spokesman for the utility, said by phone. The reading fell from 72.2 degrees at 5 a.m. this morning, and is below the 93 degrees that’s used to define a cold shutdown, or safe state, of the reactorTepco increased the rate of cooling water being injected into the unit to 13.5 cubic meters per hour from 10.5 cubic meters per hour at 4:24 a.m.
by lillymunster 2/7/2012 8:34:15 PM

by dean 2/7/2012 8:36:29 PM


another diagram
by dean 2/7/2012 8:45:05 PM

@UKVal, I think in their experimenting with different flow rates and paths into the core does make sense on how it affects the core, whether it's split up or in one blob
by dean 2/7/2012 8:46:56 PM

Low-pressure core spray system (LPCS)
The low-pressure core spray system is designed to suppress steam generated by a major contingency. As such, it prevents reactor vessel pressure from going above the point where LPCI and LPCS would be ineffective, which is above 32 atm (3200 kPa, 465 psi). It activates below that level, and delivers approximately 48,000 L/min (12,500 US gal/min) of water in a deluge from the top of the core.
by dean 2/7/2012 8:50:14 PM

I think this is the spray line we've seen spraying on the videos
by dean 2/7/2012 8:50:58 PM

check the flow rates.. huge
by dean 2/7/2012 8:51:08 PM

Low-pressure coolant injection system (LPCI)
The low-pressure coolant injection system, the "heavy artillery" in the ECCS, can be operated at reactor vessel pressures below 465 psi. The LPCI consists of 4 pumps driven by diesel engines, and is capable of injecting a mammoth 150,000 L/min (40,000 US gal/min) of water into the core . Combined with the CS to keep steam pressure low, the LPCI is designed to suppress contingencies by rapidly and completely flooding the core with coolant.
by dean 2/7/2012 8:51:36 PM

again huge flow rates
by dean 2/7/2012 8:51:56 PM

High-pressure coolant injection system (HPCI)
The high-pressure coolant injection system is the first line of defense in the emergency core cooling system. HPCI is designed to inject substantial quantities of water into the reactor while it is at high pressure so as to prevent the activation of the automatic depressurization, core spray, and low pressure coolant injection systems. HPCI is powered by steam from the reactor, and takes approximately 10 seconds to spin up from an initiating signal, and can deliver approximately 19,000 L/min (5,000 US gal/min) to the core at any core pressure above 6.8 atm (690 kPa, 100 psi). This is usually enough to keep water levels sufficient to avoid automatic depressurization except in a major contingency, such as a large break in the makeup water line.
by dean 2/7/2012 8:52:55 PM

@dean there are some pressure figures here if they any use
docs.google.comby elainekirk 2/7/2012 8:53:09 PM

ty elaine
by dean 2/7/2012 8:55:04 PM

I think the main thing is that the whole system is depressurized so no need for the high pressure systems, leaving the lower pressure systems which are probably modified with different pumps etc to inject water into these lines we hear about.
by dean 2/7/2012 8:56:12 PM

@elaine.. that helps.. on the last page the operative paragraph beginning with From Feb 2 ......... when the temp rises they assume "oh my criticality" so they pump more boric acid in with hopes of stopping it and then sample to see if they have Xe135 levels which are greater than 1 Bq/cm3 - which is their self defined criticality point
by dean 2/7/2012 9:03:23 PM

@UKVal.. exactly what the LPIS does.. in a spray mist over the entire interior region above the shroud and would then mist down over what ever core is left below it as opposed to a feed water line which reroutes water down
by dean 2/7/2012 9:05:10 PM

Inside of a BWR reactor pressure vessel (RPV), feedwater enters through nozzles high on the
vessel, well above the top of the nuclear fuel assemblies (these nuclear fuel assemblies
constitute the "core") but below the water level. The feedwater is pumped into the RPV from
the condensers located underneath the low pressure turbines and after going through
feedwater heaters that raise its temperature using extraction steam from various turbine stages.
The feedwater enters into the downcomer region and combines with water exiting the water
separators. The feedwater subcools the saturated water from the steam separators. This water
now flows down the downcomer region, which is separated from the core by a tall shroud.
The water then goes through either jet pumps or reactor internal pumps that provide additional
pumping power (hydraulic head). The water now makes a 180 degree turn and moves up
through the lower core plate into the nuclear core where the fuel elements heat the water.
When the flow moves out of the core through the upper core plate, about 12–15% of the
volume of the flow is saturated steam.
by dean 2/7/2012 9:07:29 PM

@peter.. hi-5 how are you .. nice seeing you
by dean 2/7/2012 9:08:15 PM

www.ansn-jp.org good document.. @elaine or lilly can you copy figure 3 and post in here.. it helps to explain things
by dean 2/7/2012 9:10:41 PM

right @Peter
by dean 2/7/2012 9:10:56 PM

they do have a feedwater sparger and a low pressure core spray sparger a high pressure sparger .. all of which would be a good path to get some spray flow in
by dean 2/7/2012 9:13:26 PM


Figure 3
by lillymunster 2/7/2012 9:14:42 PM