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  • Let me know if anyone needs a larger version
    by lillymunster 2/7/2012 9:15:05 PM

  • www.freepatentsonline.com A core spray sparger assembly for a nuclear reactor comprising fuel assemblies, a top guide, coolant supply pipes and a shroud head, said core spray sparger assembly comprising: at least one coolant manifold, each said coolant manifold comprising a plurality of independent coolant manifolds joined by a plurality of resilient couplings; at least one coolant coupling in fluid communication with said coolant manifold; at least one mounting device configured to couple said coolant manifold to the nuclear reactor; a plurality of fluid conductors in a parallel array, positioned above the top guide, said fluid conductors in fluid communication with said coolant manifold; and a plurality of nozzles in fluid communication with said fluid conductors.
    by dean 2/7/2012 9:15:26 PM

  • did the rise in temperature coincide with the change to greater use of the core spray on 2nd Feb?
    by UKVal 2/7/2012 9:16:10 PM

  • @lilly. in that link is a diagram of the sparger
    by dean 2/7/2012 9:16:18 PM

  • 'This water now flows down the downcomer region, which is separated from the core by a tall shroud.' Could this be implicated?
    by UKVal 2/7/2012 9:22:03 PM

  • @UKVal.. that could be an assumption on that route.. I think Peter has it spot on .. they chose some line or lines to input the water to the reactor vessel,
    by dean 2/7/2012 9:23:32 PM

  • sparger

    by lillymunster 2/7/2012 9:24:44 PM

  • by elainekirk 2/7/2012 9:24:54 PM

  • What is bothering me is the 'xenon below detectable limits' from the stand-by gas treatment system. It's designed to operate under negative pressure, which it doesn't have now. The gasses are drawn with exhaust fans, and I wonder if they work. Tepco could lie by omission by not mentioning that the fans didn't work. Even if they are operational, if there're leaks down low where the pipes egress, are the filters actually capturing the majority of isotopes? Xenon is about 5X the density of air.
    by M.I.A. 2/7/2012 9:24:56 PM

  • @dean did you see my post below about the watering arrangements for #3 from Aug? There's a diagram on that link. Don't know if the same applies at 2
    by UKVal 2/7/2012 9:25:10 PM

  • I'm getting the impression that what seems to cool the core more effectively is water that reaches the bottom of the RPV & somehow the core spray isn't reaching so well. I recall seeing something about an experiment in which melt thru happened at the lowest part of the sides & not the bottom....
    by UKVal 2/7/2012 9:28:22 PM

  • @UKVal , I believe that this issue plays a role. The feedwater runs outside the shroud, the core sprayer water inside the shroud. The core sprayer water apparently could not cool the hot spot as well as the feedwater. Remarkably, something changed for good after they introduced the new flow regimen, that is more water through the core sprayer and less feedwater, because returning the regimen to what it was before did not seem to help lower the temp measurements.
    by Peter 2/7/2012 9:29:53 PM

  • @Peter so possibly a shift in the melted fuel?
    by UKVal 2/7/2012 9:30:51 PM

  • @Peter.. I'm trying to find that one video which shows the top head off in preparations for refueling and they have a blue tarp up on one side and the reactor spray system running...
    by dean 2/7/2012 9:31:09 PM

  • Doc from Nov with lotsa diagrams which may be useful
    www.tepco.co.jp
    The Evaluation Status of Reactor Core Damage at
    Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station
    Units 1 to 3
    by elainekirk 2/7/2012 9:31:48 PM

  • Thehigh pressure coolant injection system is designed to operate while the nuclear system is at high pressure.The core spray system and low pressure coolant injection mode of the residual heat removal system aredesigned for operation at low pressures. If the break in the nuclear system process barrier is of such asize that the loss of coolant exceeds the capability of the high pressure coolant injection system, reactor pressure decreases at a rate fast enough for the low pressure emergency core cooling systems tocommence coolant injection into the reactor vessel in time to cool the core
    by dean 2/7/2012 9:32:33 PM

  • @elaine try to put the figure on page 9 of that doc in here.. it shows the flow paths good with decay heat
    by dean 2/7/2012 9:34:43 PM

  • from doc Elaine just posted 'about unit 2, we
    presumed that the fuel (heat source) is likely to exist near the reactor-side pipe.'
    by UKVal 2/7/2012 9:36:19 PM

  • that figure could suggest what Peter is saying more water through the sprayer was misting over the exposed part of the fuel melt as opposed to the feed water draining down the side into the pool at the bottom of the vessel.. suggesting there could be fuel intact but melted in the core region..
    by dean 2/7/2012 9:37:05 PM

  • figure from page 9 of TEPCO document

    by lillymunster 2/7/2012 9:38:58 PM

  • @UKVal , the change could also be a new obstruction of the feedwater flow.
    by Peter 2/7/2012 9:39:27 PM

  • @Peter I wish they would pick one of the accessible steam lines coming from the reactor and find a point where they can take some temp/air activity readings
    by dean 2/7/2012 9:42:36 PM

  • @lilly.. they have to remove the spargers to pull the shroud and there was a video of some of the workers doing that ...
    by dean 2/7/2012 9:44:00 PM

  • a good flow path for air purging the system would be a path out the steam lines which would allow direct access to all the air activity generated by the corium/fuel mass
    by dean 2/7/2012 9:45:28 PM

  • doc here re state of the steam pipes in unit 2
    Reactor, Units 2 and 3, Fukushima Daiichi NPS
    Existence of the impact by aged deterioration
    immediately after the occurrence of TohokuChihou Taiheiyou-Oki Earthquake~
    www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 2/7/2012 9:58:41 PM

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    by lillymunster 2/7/2012 10:01:41 PM

  • diagrams iin this doc could be useful www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 2/7/2012 10:02:45 PM

  • TEPCO video of water injection system

    by UKVal 2/7/2012 10:04:22 PM

  • www.tepco.co.jp
    "Status of Measuring Instruments of Reactor Pressure Vessels and Primary Containment Vessels"
    17th Sept
    by elainekirk 2/7/2012 10:07:23 PM

  • by elainekirk 2/7/2012 10:09:01 PM

  • excellent work @ elaine
    by dean 2/7/2012 10:09:46 PM

  • by elainekirk 2/7/2012 10:10:33 PM

  • @dean I just love googling totally useless at the techi side
    by elainekirk 2/7/2012 10:11:41 PM

  • @illly.. can you blow up the image on elaines video where it shows the flow meters.. maybe we can see what the units are
    by dean 2/7/2012 10:13:26 PM

  • @elaine you know where to go to get techi stuff.. I'm lost... good team..simplyinfo team.. Y.EAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    by dean 2/7/2012 10:14:11 PM

  • @lilly. .gmail
    by dean 2/7/2012 10:15:13 PM

  • will return
    by dean 2/7/2012 10:23:49 PM

  • uh anyone know what video Dean was asking about? I'm missing it. Is it the one UK Val posted?
    by lillymunster 2/7/2012 10:30:06 PM

  • @lillymunster I am guessing so
    by elainekirk 2/7/2012 10:40:37 PM

  • @elainekirk k - will work on it when I get back from running to the store.
    by lillymunster 2/7/2012 10:41:12 PM

  • @lillymunster :)
    by elainekirk 2/7/2012 10:41:51 PM

  • chapter 12 starts page 37 ]
    PCV Venting and Alternative Cooling Water Injection Preparation for Fukushima
    Daiichi Nuclear Power Station Unit 2 www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 2/7/2012 10:50:03 PM

  • seismic data unit 2 www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 2/7/2012 10:56:15 PM

  • The highlighted parts in this table from the NISA report to IAEA last June may be helpful. A bit unrelated note, there is one minus in the table! The operator had to actuate Unit 1's safety valves. I hope you can read the table. i1214.photobucket.com

    by Peter via I1214.photobucket 2/7/2012 11:10:20 PM

  • do we have this recorded? www.tepco.co.jp
    January 29th
    ・ Other leakage points confirmed by 3:00 pm is as follows
    ○ Flow meter of reactor water injection pump from Unit 3 condensate storage
    tank to Unit 2
    (RO water: Approx. 4L
    by elainekirk 2/7/2012 11:14:05 PM

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