
good article @Ian
by dean 2/7/2012 2:29:49 PM

@lilly.. some times it's good to do a "units" review ie: when they sample for gases what are the units of measure and the same for contamination spread or levels in water... when I see the Bq/cm3 I think of contamination like taking a smear of the ground. It just looked strange to me. Still trying to find something TEPCO bases the recriticality level on with Bq/cm3
by dean 2/7/2012 2:32:39 PM

@dean the two samples taken this time one was taken out of the gas management system the other over time outside the knock out panel in 2. They didn't give details about how they collected. Water testing shows as bq/liter if that is what you were referring to? I can't remember what they consider the threshold for detection in water but we should be able to find recent water testing for around the plant if you think that would help?
by lillymunster 2/7/2012 2:43:21 PM

www.nisa.meti.go.jp I think this report is trying to establish a level of isotopes resulting from "spontaneous" fissions as opposed to those from criticality. Some fissions occur even when the reactor is subcritical .. that must be what they argue
by dean 2/7/2012 2:49:08 PM

@dean that report explains much about how they do concentration calculations. The boric acid being the "test" for criticality is interesting. I would have thought boric acid would kill off spontaneous fission also?
by lillymunster 2/7/2012 3:01:31 PM

@dean, sent you a gmail this morning
by lillymunster 2/7/2012 3:01:45 PM

will check it @lilly.. ty
by dean 2/7/2012 3:05:05 PM

@lilly.. I think the thought is the boric acid keeps the fuel "subcritical" and not capable of a sustained chain reaction.. but it does not stop the spontaneous fissions
by dean 2/7/2012 3:06:35 PM

gmail return
by dean 2/7/2012 3:08:38 PM

neutrons generated by the spontaneous fissions are absorbed by the boric acid... that's the theory
by dean 2/7/2012 3:09:22 PM

time for breakfast.. be back
by dean 2/7/2012 3:12:54 PM

@Cryptococcus the newer tactic to force consumers to pay for everything really makes it sound like the operators can't financially run these plants. What you charge customers is supposed to cover overhead and expenses and your profit. It sounds to me like you can't deliver power at that rate your charging. We are now getting an added fee on our bills where we pay more to cover the costs of putting in a new power grid out here. I'm not happy but at least ours is charging for something people actually want.
by lillymunster 2/7/2012 4:40:43 PM

Europe is seeing iodine spikes in germany, poland, sweden, finland and Austria again. This seems like a repeat. So either they didn't fix the plant in Budapest or it wasn't the plant in Budapest.
by lillymunster 2/7/2012 4:41:58 PM

Vermont Yankee just had an unknown hazmat alert
hisz.rsoe.huby lillymunster 2/7/2012 4:44:08 PM

here's a blast from the past. Found the old reuters live blog
live.reuters.comby lillymunster 2/7/2012 7:10:37 PM


images.scribblelive.com March 12 Fukushima before the explosions started.
by lillymunster 2/7/2012 7:18:48 PM

The Reuters liveblog was the top blog at Scribble for 2011
blog.scribblelive.comby lillymunster 2/7/2012 7:20:06 PM

number 2 temps to 5pm on 7th
www.tepco.co.jpby elainekirk 2/7/2012 7:20:24 PM

by elainekirk edited by lillymunster 2/7/2012 7:22:09 PM

pressures higher in 2 than in 1 & 3
www.tepco.co.jpby elainekirk 2/7/2012 7:24:18 PM

@elainekirk that graphic is interesting. If you look where the feed water sprayer is vs. the core spray that is lower and inside the shroud. The core spray seemed to be the effective method for cooling.
by lillymunster 2/7/2012 7:25:08 PM

@UKVal thanks. So the "change back to original" actually didn't work and they fiddled with it until they got it working between feedwater and core.
by lillymunster 2/7/2012 7:44:15 PM

@UKVal I was talking to Dean, he mentioned the large volume of water needed to cool something down.
From previous reports TEPCO had been trying to taper back water flow to slow down the amount of waste water. Obviously with unit 2 slowing down the water is a bad thing.
by lillymunster 2/7/2012 7:51:51 PM

greetings to every one
by dean 2/7/2012 8:06:25 PM

@lilly do you have a diagram of where the susposed water is injecting into the reactor... one a spray line which one would think mists the water and the other a feedwater line where it flows probably in a stream
by dean 2/7/2012 8:14:21 PM

@dean Elaine posted one down the page. Let me know if you can't see it and I can try to repost it if needed
by lillymunster 2/7/2012 8:15:01 PM

www.tepco.co.jpThis has the core spray and feedwater ring marked in it
by lillymunster 2/7/2012 8:15:59 PM

also.. 1 cubic meter of water contains about 264 gallons so is this saying the water rate is 264 gallons per hour? not much water
by dean 2/7/2012 8:16:05 PM