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  • 6 billion dollar plutonium facility the US will never use. motherjones.com
    by lillymunster 2/8/2012 6:04:53 PM

  • @lillymunster good article :)
    by elainekirk 2/8/2012 6:15:37 PM

  • The USA where they just nuke people randomly on the streets. :-( www.propublica.org
    by lillymunster 2/8/2012 6:16:38 PM

  • I found a recent Tepco exculpation for the accident www.tepco.co.jp which contains interesting statements like: "However, in the accident, since power supply was lost due to the impact of the tsunami, motor-driven reactor water injection equipment lost their functions. In addition, the initially functioning steam-driven RCIC and other systems also gradually lost their function due to several reasons, such as a loss of DC power supply necessary for controlling the system, and ultimately all these measures for water injection into reactor were lost. " I wonder what other reasons we can expect.
    by Peter 2/8/2012 6:44:09 PM

  • We have the unique opportunity to present the findings from our group at the Atomic Age Symposium in Chicago this May.

    Dean was asked to speak on reactor issues from his industry experience. In discussions with the organizers they thought alloting part of
    that time to share what simplyinfo has learned or accomplished would be a good addition to the symposium.

    We need everyone's input to put this together. There are some questions below to give a starting point for discussion but don't restrict yourself to them in responding.Feel free to either respond by email at info@simplyinfo.org or post directly to the scribble page.


    What do you think are some of the group's accomplishments? (big, small etc)

    What are some of the major things we have learned about the humanitarian aspect of the disaster?

    What are some of the significant technical things we have learned?

    Are there some individual incidents or moments that stick out in your head?

    What else?
    by lillymunster 2/8/2012 6:50:24 PM

  • This turns into an adventure story. I cite from www.tepco.co.jp , pp. 26: "The national government nuclear safety inspectors, who were initially stationed within the seismic-isolated building at Fukushima Daiichi NPS, were all moved to the off-site center on the morning of March 12. They temporarily returned to the power station on March 13, and then again returned to the off-site center after the afternoon of March 14. On the next day, they moved to the Fukushima prefectural government due to the transfer of the Nuclear Disaster Site Response Headquarters. Therefore, the national government nuclear safety inspectors were not present at Fukushima Daiichi NPS until their return on March 22." So the gov. was absent from the site for a whole week in the critical period after the explosions.
    by Peter 2/8/2012 6:57:55 PM

  • @Peter WTH?
    by lillymunster 2/8/2012 7:01:25 PM

  • What do you think are some of the group's accomplishments? (big, small etc)
    ....keeping readers abreast with the best available information and educating readers about the effects of ionizing radiation.
    What are some of the major things we have learned about the humanitarian aspect of the disaster?
    ....that the government was unprepared and naive about the severity of the accident.
    What are some of the significant technical things we have learned?


    Are there some individual incidents or moments that stick out in your head?
    by Peter 2/8/2012 7:04:24 PM

  • uh, I hit the return button accidentally. What are some of the significant technical things we have learned?
    .....that no technology is safe, certainly not nuclear power reactors.

    Are there some individual incidents or moments that stick out in your head?
    ...the worried face of a young mother.
    by Peter 2/8/2012 7:09:14 PM

  • @Peter thanks, grabbed your notes
    by lillymunster 2/8/2012 7:12:50 PM

  • More cryptic pronouncements ( www.tepco.co.jp , p 28) on Unit 1 after the quake: "According to the alarm data record, right around the time of the MSIV closure signal, the main steam pipe rupture-related isolation signals were transmitted. However, the steam flow rate was recorded as 0 (zero), and no increase in steam flow rate was observed. [Attachment 6-1 (7)]
    Judging from the above, it is considered that the isolation signal was transmitted
    due to the loss of instrumentation power following the loss of off-site power. "
    At that time, that is before the tsunami hit, there was diesel and battery power for sure.
    by Peter 2/8/2012 7:17:16 PM

  • @Peter erm.
    by lillymunster 2/8/2012 7:20:29 PM

  • Hi all – just logged on & catching up on the discussion we initiated last night about the location of the melted fuel in #2. I posted this last night, don’t know if it helps: ‘about unit 2, we presumed that the fuel (heat source) is likely to exist near the reactor-side pipe.'
    And re the temperature sensors:
    ‘the thermometer three are nearly equally spaced. One had …. begun to rise, exceeding the 70 degrees on the night of 5. Two thermometers rest is left pointing to the front and rear both 44 degrees.' blog.goo.ne.jp’
    by UKVal 2/8/2012 7:35:06 PM

  • Tsunami was up to 21 meters high in Fukushima www.yomiuri.co.jp
    by lillymunster 2/8/2012 7:35:14 PM

  • @UKVal I wish TEPCO's diagram had the lower intake and outtake pipes marked on it. They are on the one from Atomic Power Review but not on the TEPCO one. I can't find a unique structure on both diagrams to compare the 2. Those lower pipes, it would be good to find where they are in relation to the sensor.
    by lillymunster 2/8/2012 7:38:40 PM

  • Here on page 36 www.tepco.co.jp : "As for the impact on the high pressure coolant injection system (HPCI) steam pipes by the tsunami at Unit 3 of Fukushima Daiichi, the reactor pressure fell from about 7MPa to about 1MPa, when the HPCI was started up after the RCIC had shut down. Therefore the HPCI steam pipes at Unit 3 were investigated for the possibility of ruptures. As a result of interviews with operators, it was confirmed that the operators actually entered the HPCI system room and no abnormalities were observed. Thus, it was confirmed that no abnormalities existed with the HPCI steam pipes. In addition, an operator entered the torus room through which the steam pipes pass, on the morning of March 13 after the HPCI had stopped, and no pipe rupture was observed. As for the behavior of the Unit 3 reactor pressure, it is considered that the fluctuations were the result of continuous operation of the (steam-driven) HPCI that consumes a large amount of steam drawn from the reactor to drive its turbine."
    Only why did the RCIC shut down, while the HPCI was still working? Also an employee entered the torus room on March 13. Imagine his dose!
    by Peter 2/8/2012 7:43:45 PM

  • jakeadelstein Jake Adelstein
    #fukushima reactor 2 spewing radiation. In 1998, TEPCO paid a yakuza $300,00 to stop writing about nuclear core warping & shoddy repair.
    by lillymunster 2/8/2012 8:09:13 PM

  • @lillymunster OH F*** good one Jake!!
    by elainekirk 2/8/2012 8:12:27 PM

  • Press Release (Feb 08,2012)
    Report to NISA on the investigation result of the outdoor storage tank regarding the event of water or radioactive material leakage from concentrated water storage tank of water desalinations in Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 2/8/2012 8:14:52 PM

  • Two Russian bombers flying around over Japan ex-skf.blogspot.com
    by lillymunster 2/8/2012 8:19:59 PM

  • Here is tepco's evaluation of the walk-through of Unit 1 we saw on video a couple of months ago in this report www.tepco.co.jp .
    “3) Results of Unit 1 IC walk-down [Attachment 6-8 (3)]
    ・ The main unit of the IC installed in the Unit 1 reactor building, main pipes, and valves were visually investigated to confirm whether or not there was any damage that could cause the reactor to lose its cooling water. Since the inside of the PCV could not be entered, main body, pipes and valves outside of the PCV were investigated.
    ・ On the 4th floor of the reactor building where the main unit of the IC is installed, a hole was made on the north-side ceiling due to the hydrogen explosion on the 5th floor. Some of the insulating material at the top part of the IC's north side was scattered among the rubble and considered to have been blown off by the explosion. Furthermore, the insulating material on the south side of the main unit of the IC was also severely torn off and it had fallen down, which was on the reactor building equipment hatch (opening on the floor) side. It is considered that the hydrogen explosion on the 5th floor blasted through the opening and damaged the insulating material on the IC. None of insulating materials on the 3rd or 2nd floor was found to have been torn off or scattered.
    ・ No damage was found on the main unit of the IC. No ruptured pipes, leakage from flange sections, and broken valves were found. Also, no trace by a blast of the high pressure steam from the reactor was found.
    ・ Judging from the above, it was confirmed that there was no damage to the IC equipment located outside of the PCV that could have caused loss of reactor cooling water.
    ・ In addition to this field walk-down, the positioning status of IC valves and IC water level were also checked. It was confirmed that Valve 2A and Valve 3A of the Subsystem-A were open, and Valve 2B and Valve 3B of the Subsystem-B were closed. Not only that, both Subsystem-A and Subsystem-B that make up feed valves to the IC were also confirmed to be closed. The IC field water level gauges (cooling water) indicated 65% for
    the Subsystem-A and 85% for the Subsystem-B. This was confirmed to match the
    instrumentation in the MCR (main control room).”
    by Peter 2/8/2012 8:29:22 PM

  • 'Professor Mori found over 1.37 million becquerels/kg of radioactive cesium in excrement of earthworms he picked up in Watari District of Fukushima City, where radioactive cesium exceeding the national provisional safety standard (500 becquerels/kg) has been found in rice.' ex-skf.blogspot.com
    by UKVal 2/8/2012 8:34:03 PM

  • @Peter interesting. So does that rule out the IC as a failure point?
    by lillymunster 2/8/2012 8:37:02 PM

  • 'There was a fire on the basement floor of a nuclear facility of Russia. This is the video taken nearby. It looks like an explosion. I’d like to have some information about this' .http://fukushima-diary.com/2012/02/state-of-emergency-on-power-substation-in-the-south-of-st-petersburg/ I find Fukushima Diary a little sensationalist & I've no idea if the video on the site is of a nuclear facility as claimed or an electricity substation.
    by UKVal 2/8/2012 8:41:19 PM

  • @UKVal translated heading on the video: State of emergency on power substation in the south of St. Petersburg
    by lillymunster 2/8/2012 8:43:21 PM

  • @you the reactor that had a fire a few days ago was in Moscow.
    by lillymunster 2/8/2012 8:43:45 PM

  • www.reuters.com The moscow reactor fire
    by lillymunster 2/8/2012 8:44:17 PM

  • Those are substations in St. Petersberg. A substation would send out black smoke from the electrical fire and the oil in the transformers.
    by lillymunster 2/8/2012 8:46:37 PM

  • @lillymunster , it contradicts the notion tepco reported to NISA last June that the IC had boiled dry in the early evening of Mar. 11. Of course, this inspection does not rule out internal damage. Because of the statements in this current report, we might keep a lookout for where the backup batteries precisely were installed. Not all were wiped out by the tsunami.
    by Peter 2/8/2012 8:49:43 PM

  • odd. Asahi claims temps are going up still at 2. But the temp graph for 2 says all are going down ajw.asahi.com
    by lillymunster 2/8/2012 8:53:50 PM

  • Here is a bit we saw as well www.tepco.co.jp , p. 41: "Heavy fuel oil tanks for boilers were washed away. Therefore, it is not possible to investigate the extent of damage caused by the earthquake. For EDG fuel tanks and condensate storage tanks (CSTs), which were one of the cooling water sources, ground subsidence around the basement was observed. It is considered to be as a result of the earthquake. However, no leakage or other damage was found on the tanks themselves.
    《photo (7) and photos (8), (9)."
    by Peter 2/8/2012 9:00:07 PM

  • @Peter this report talks of the betteries working to some degree www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 2/8/2012 9:05:05 PM

  • @Peter note where they found batteries 'As the operators surveyed the damage, they quickly realized that the diesel generators couldn't be salvaged and that external power wouldn't be restored anytime soon. In the plant's parking lots, workers raised car hoods, grabbed the batteries, and lugged them back to the control rooms. They found cables in storage rooms and studied diagrams. If they could connect the batteries to the instrument panels, they could at least determine the water levels in the pressure vessels'. spectrum.ieee.org
    by UKVal 2/8/2012 9:10:52 PM

  • @UKVal , see this claim of total station blackout is not entirely true. For example, tepco managed to bring a generator brought on a truck online during the night of Mar 11/ Mar 12. In addition, they managed to hitch an air compressor to the compressed air lines to actuate valves. Here is another excerpt from the damage report www.tepco.co.jp , p. 46: "Regarding damage to DC power panels, they were damaged by water at Units 1, 2 and 4, however, not at Units 3, 5, and 6. It is presumed that the fact that the DC power panels at Units 3, 5, and 6 were installed on the semi-basement level of the turbine building saved them from water damage. "
    So, were the batteries at the same locations as the panels.
    by Peter 2/8/2012 9:17:38 PM

  • This chart must be from the JP site. Unit 2's temps. I don't know if I would call that in increase quite yet. www.tepco.co.jp
    by lillymunster 2/8/2012 9:18:12 PM

  • @lillymunster I posted the English version earlier because I said the 4pm chart shows rise then 5pm figures say it going down very odd this is 5pm reading www.tepco.co.jp

    by elainekirk 2/8/2012 9:20:33 PM

  • Here is tepco's damage summary from this report www.tepco.co.jp p 49:
    "1) The tsunami after the earthquake caused emergency seawater system pump equipment
    to lose its function at all units. This prevented residual heat (decay heat) from being removed
    from the reactor by seawater.
    2) Loss of power supply function at Units 1 to 5 caused all motor-operated facilities
    (safety systems, water injection and cooling equipment, etc.) to be rendered unusable.
    Motor-operated valves were no longer operable from the MCR.
    3) At Units 1, 2, and 4, where DC power was also lost, all monitoring instruments in the
    MCR became unavailable, preventing the monitoring of the plant status. At Units 3 and 5,
    where DC power was available, measurements and monitoring of the plant condition were
    influenced by the battery levels. - 50 -
    4) SRVs for reactor depressurization and solenoid valves for controlling air-operated vent
    valves for the PCV also became inoperable.
    5) In addition, lack of communication tools and power outages that affected lighting in
    the MCRs, buildings, and outside field made emergency response even more difficult.
    6) Debris and residual water due to the tsunami and the risk of further tsunami made the
    working environment much harder in the field outside."
    by Peter 2/8/2012 9:24:46 PM

  • back and greetings to all
    by dean 2/8/2012 9:35:43 PM

  • we had a 5+ today in japan:

    21:14 JST 08 Feb 2012 21:01 JST 08 Feb 2012 Sado Fukin M5.7 5+
    21:05 JST 08 Feb 2012 21:01 JST 08 Feb 2012 Sado Fukin M5.7 5+
    www.jma.go.jp
    by Edano 2/8/2012 10:07:03 PM

  • www.jma.go.jp in japan sea close to kawashima or how the last tepco plant is called.

    by Edano via Jma.go.jp 2/8/2012 10:08:52 PM

  • .....in niigata
    by Edano 2/8/2012 10:09:40 PM

  • @Edano.. greetings
    by dean 2/8/2012 10:09:43 PM

  • @lillymunster this is news to me: according to Wikipedia there was MOX in the 'Central Storage Facility' - assume means the Common SFP
    by UKVal 2/8/2012 10:10:10 PM

  • Did you guys see these videos? State of emergency on power substation in the south of St. Petersburg fukushima-diary.com
    by MaryW 2/8/2012 10:18:45 PM

  • www.world-nuclear.org Accident 2011
    by dean 2/8/2012 10:22:21 PM

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