Japan Earthquake | Page 18

  • @Jojo The conflict is Barium-137 vs. Barium-137m. I am not educated enough to speculate on which is correct.
    by borrrden 3/26/2011 10:32:16 AM

  • @borrrden Me neither. :)
    by Jojo 3/26/2011 10:32:56 AM

  • I might be missing something here ... The U.S. Dept of Energy's Situation in Japan web page <http://blog.energy.gov/content/situation-japan/> (Updated 03/25/11) has a summative slide show report, titled Radiological Assessment, March 25, 201 and on slide 6 there are two sentences that seem to jump at me:
    (1) No new areas of deposition are apparent although winds since March 19th have crossed the area measured.
    (2) Conclusion: In the area measured, radiological material has not deposited in significant quantities since March 19th.

    There was an editorial note, though, that says "These conclusions are preliminary."
    by Albert Lee in Manila 3/26/2011 10:33:43 AM

  • I have to stop spending my entire evening on here so I will stop posting now. I would be happy to see the evacuation zone expanded, but I also appreciate the difficulties faced in doing so. I'm sure they are not doing it just to be mean. I also will accept the conclusions of a person educated in this kind of situation over my own. I hope every day for some good news!!
    by borrrden 3/26/2011 10:38:29 AM

  • @borrrden We all hope for good news. Every day we are all hoping for it. I am going to sign off as well.
    by Jojo 3/26/2011 10:40:10 AM

  • Well done, @borrden, @Jojo. Bye for now. Rest well, for tomorrow we ...
    by Albert Lee in Manila 3/26/2011 10:41:10 AM

  • rest well, Borrrden . see you soon (check your domain name mail )
    by futureisnow 3/26/2011 10:43:01 AM

  • Seems to be a live bilingual conference from the CNIC (Japan's
    by andyjsha 3/26/2011 10:44:46 AM

  • www.ustream.tv - sorry fingers slipped - from CNIC Citizen's Nuclear Info Centre
    by andyjsha 3/26/2011 10:45:26 AM

  • anybody up
    by Dean 3/26/2011 12:10:06 PM

  • Hi Dean...I'm up...barely
    by Stormy 3/26/2011 12:18:31 PM

  • me too stormy.. sipping coffee..
    by Dean 3/26/2011 12:20:59 PM

  • ditto
    by Canadian 3/26/2011 12:21:27 PM

  • Same here...So what's the latest? I'm just getting browsers open.
    by Stormy 3/26/2011 12:22:25 PM

  • I haven't been checking on things quite yet, eating some breakfast at the moment.
    by Dean 3/26/2011 12:23:32 PM

  • I'm still curious about this story. www.todayonline.com
    by Stormy 3/26/2011 12:29:04 PM

  • When I checked a day or two ago...They said these Japanese tourists were from 2 different places in Japan. I checked on the map and they were quite a distance from Fukushima.
    by Stormy 3/26/2011 12:29:57 PM

  • these types of stories will probably increase in days or months to come. and, depending on the minute levels of detection on the instruments they can be of no concern or consequence, just elevate small numbers. the wind patterns for carrying radioactive fallout is so hard to accurately predict that minor uptake through breathing or drinking will show some increased levels.. the units and types of isotope are always needed
    by Dean 3/26/2011 12:33:20 PM

  • instrumentation in todays world has increase so much.. when I started my career we were measuring in millicuries, then it went to a next order of magnitude lower then another order of magnitude lower.. so now it's able to see.. levels that are 10000 times lower than limits and if someone says.. it's 10,000 times normal.. it's stillnot exceeding a limit.
    by Dean 3/26/2011 12:35:18 PM

  • if I had children or if there were a pregnant lady.. those are the two groups that are affected when others may not be.
    by Dean 3/26/2011 12:36:32 PM

  • I'm sure different countries are hyper vigilant right now as well. So, anything above the 'norm' is viewed as critical.
    by Stormy 3/26/2011 12:37:32 PM

  • indeed,
    by Dean 3/26/2011 12:40:25 PM

  • usually what you see when radioactive isotopes are measures will be comparisons to CAT SCAN, regular x-rays, sun, natural occuring things. those comparisons to me sometimes are misleading because they don't talk about.. ingestion. the isotopes once in the body and depending on the type of isotope can affect different areas and organs of the body.. like the thyroid and why they say.. "saturate" it with normal non radioactive iodide from a tablet. there is a difference between doses of ray type radiation verses.. ingested doses
    by Dean 3/26/2011 12:44:39 PM

  • we call it uptake dose, and. the 1/2 life of the isotope can be factored into how long of a time before it decays to normal..
    by Dean 3/26/2011 12:45:49 PM

  • thanks to anyone posting information. Special thanks to Dean for giving accurate and insightful info without panic mongering or playing the role of nuclear defender.
    by Billy 3/26/2011 12:46:32 PM

  • NISA did some tests of the water found in turbine 1: www.nisa.meti.go.jp
    by kb 3/26/2011 12:46:44 PM

  • Hi Dean, good to see you. What's your take on where the the highly contaminated water in (all 4?) of the turbine rooms is coming from?
    by hudebnik 3/26/2011 12:46:49 PM

  • medical testing like the THORIUM activated stress test is a common example where a radioactive isotope is put in the body for perposes to trace and see where there may be problems.. if the person walks through a detector he/she would set off the alarm until the isotope goes away
    by Dean 3/26/2011 12:47:11 PM

  • ty billy...
    by Dean 3/26/2011 12:47:34 PM

  • Yes, it is greatly appreciated. I was very happy to see George was able to get this going.
    by Stormy 3/26/2011 12:48:42 PM

  • hudebnik... that's been the million dollar question,, how does it migrate from the reactor vessel core area to the turbine area. I look at it as .. what are the paths to get there and try to see which path seems likely... we know there have been earthquakes with after shocks, we have had violent zirc-water ignitions and hydrogen explosions... so.. any path.. via penetrations for instrument cabling, electrical cabling.. piping penetrations etc. are paths for steam under pressure to escape and get to that area.. and of course the steam probably have concentrations of radioactive material which would be reading very high...
    by Dean 3/26/2011 12:50:17 PM

  • It's so frustrating for me in trying to decipher all the physics of this disaster. So it is great to have a place to come and have it explained.
    by Stormy 3/26/2011 12:51:53 PM

  • I posted a couple of web sites that are good in explaning core melts and even show figures of the diagrams of core areas where some of the leaks can get out of the vessel
    by Dean 3/26/2011 12:52:48 PM

  • @Dean re: internal/ingested radiation, its my understanding that none of the measuring methods they use on the spot measure this, this has to be measured by bioassay testing? (this is how they tested hubby when he might have been exposed working on the face of the CANDU)
    by Canadian 3/26/2011 12:53:09 PM

  • Do we know if the turbine area is open to outside air? Damaged walls, roof, etc..
    by Stormy 3/26/2011 12:53:24 PM

  • canadian, in my area they initially use a counter that every one must self survey with when leaving a potential contamination area.. followed by stepping into a PCM-1B which measures the body and hands.. you face one way and count then turn around.. if levels are picked up .. you try to wash which removes most of the particles.. if the readings are still there or if you were in a higher rad area then you go to the WHOLE BODY counter and take this nice YELLOW lunch box home and give a sample called the bioassay. those are initial steps
    by Dean 3/26/2011 12:56:24 PM

  • I'm not certain on that question stormy.. unless I've missed it in some coverage of the accident I don't know
    by Dean 3/26/2011 12:57:00 PM

  • but.. if it were.. it's not much worse than the canals with tons of fuel exposed to the atmosphere
    by Dean 3/26/2011 12:57:23 PM

  • @Dean thanks Dean, that sounds very similar to the routine hubby goes through
    by Canadian 3/26/2011 12:58:40 PM

  • I was just thinking of another possibility as to how water may have gotten in there. Although I doubt that could be it due to the level of contamination being reported.
    by Stormy 3/26/2011 1:00:06 PM

  • what is it stormy
    by Dean 3/26/2011 1:02:15 PM

  • well, if it possible to post a link;-) www.ustream.tv it the recorded bilingue conference with mr Tanaka, this morning, he was one in charge of the design of the containment vessel...
    by futureisnow 3/26/2011 1:03:56 PM

  • @Dean Have they taken any soil samples from between the reactor and turbine buildings?? No expert but I do know what happens to excess water runoff [from dumping on the reactors). With the hydrogen explosions there was also bound to be a bunch of radioactive debris that could have been leeched thru as the water returns to the water table underground. Which also would allow the basements to fill up (assuming that they have a normal way of keeping the basement dry, such as a sump or "french drain") as the ground exceeded saturation from the [already disclosed] thousands of tons of water injected on the site.
    by Dennis Tucker Jr 3/26/2011 1:04:05 PM

  • @Dean: Could it be that the water came from the pools, or is that out of the question?
    by Jeff 3/26/2011 1:04:15 PM

  • I saw a news report yesterday about the water in the turbine rooms and the seawater contamination levels, to confirm I have this right since I'm maintaining a thread on a forum for some friends... the highly radiated water from the turbine rooms has been draining through the north channel into the sea and they are now containing that water and figuring out how to deal with it?
    by Canadian 3/26/2011 1:04:17 PM

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