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  • by NHK Listener 4/21/2011 8:13:02 PM

  • New cryptome images. No plant images but a photo essay of one of the evacuated towns just outside the plant. cryptome.org
    by Nancy 4/21/2011 8:13:49 PM

  • this one you can make out smoke coming out the side of number 4 www.digitalglobe.com

    by NHK Listener via Digitalglobe 4/21/2011 8:14:20 PM

  • Smoke

    by Markfm 4/21/2011 8:15:55 PM

  • @Markfm that smoke is off of the big concrete chunk that landed on those pipes right next to the building. The walls and roof of 4 look intact.
    by Nancy 4/21/2011 8:16:59 PM

  • @All I found article that talks about Tepco admitting fuel melt in unit 1 yesterday. NHK never posted it...not surprisingly. mdn.mainichi.jp
    by LM 4/21/2011 8:17:01 PM

  • Looks like the smoke is emanating from around the object, where it meets the wall
    by Markfm 4/21/2011 8:17:29 PM

  • a bit larger view with contrast pulled up. www.houseoffoust.com

    by Nancy via Houseoffoust 4/21/2011 8:18:29 PM

  • @Markfm It looks to me like the smoke is rolling out between the two buildings but then being pulled towards the sea as soon as it gets higher than the roof of 4. Like 4 is blocking the wind.
    by Nancy 4/21/2011 8:19:33 PM

  • Agency admits 'melting' of N-fuel. www.yomiuri.co.jp
    by Ralph Unger 4/21/2011 8:20:25 PM

  • @Nancy In the image I posted at 12 after you can see 2 distinct streams of smoke being pulled out to sea. no swirling
    by NHK Listener 4/21/2011 8:21:39 PM

  • On second thought, cannot tell -- there are lighter splotches on both the right and left edges of the light circle surrounding the hole, cannot tell if the plumes source from the base and are perhaps sucked slightly inward (vacuum at the hole), or source from the hole, but somehow whatever the pipe/object is has two channels so you get the two venting occurrences.
    by Markfm 4/21/2011 8:23:13 PM

  • "Tokyo Electric Power Co., the operator of the crippled plant, has said the cores of the Nos. 1 to 3 reactors have been damaged by 25 percent to 70 percent. But the agency emphasized that these figures are only estimates." For those who do not follow links.
    by Ralph Unger 4/21/2011 8:23:32 PM

  • Are those big doors on the turbine-ward side?
    by radioguy 4/21/2011 8:23:39 PM

  • @Ralph Unger Way back early on they said it looked like average damage of 50% to cores of 1,2 &3. They just broke that average out by individual reactors, apparently.
    by radioguy 4/21/2011 8:26:32 PM

  • One thing I've wondered about is the estimate of melted fuel size of " several mm to 1 cm." Found a paper on modeling corium spray/droplets during severe accidents. Maybe "melted fuel" is another term for corium droplets. See below for link -- the text (versus the formulas) may be interesting. SCALING STUDY OF SPREADING OF MOLTEN CORIUM IN MARK.I BOILING WATER REACTORS - text starts on Page 9. www.osti.gov
    by Deirdre 4/21/2011 8:30:14 PM

  • LOL, The fuel is only one size, the size of the pellets in the zirconium rods which burned away, About the size of a 45 cal bullet IIRC.
    by Ralph Unger 4/21/2011 8:32:14 PM

  • A THOUGHT: since the EPA has been very slow in their release of sample measurements, given that iodine-131 has a half-life of approx. 8 days, should we be doing backwards calculations to get a more accurate measurement of original potential exposure?
    by Sin 4/21/2011 8:37:40 PM

  • @Ralph Unger I was referring to US levels reported in drinking water and milk. Some are 300 times the limit for EPA. (link from Radioguy) www.organicconsumers.org
    by Sin 4/21/2011 8:40:14 PM

  • If you believe in the linear model of radioactivity (as I do) there is an increased risk from even low levels. But it is a low level of risk.
    by Ralph Unger 4/21/2011 8:45:11 PM

  • Question: What year will it be when the Ce-137 reaches an "acceptible" level in the zone?
    2206 ?!
    by Reed 4/21/2011 8:46:01 PM

  • Tokyo Electric says radioactive water may possibly be still leaking out through unidentified routes. The firm is trying to determine the routes and to continue monitoring data and grasping the impact of the radioactive water on marine life and the sea.
    www3.nhk.or.jp
    by Rob in SF 4/21/2011 8:46:40 PM

  • 30 year half life, ten half lifes before it is safe.
    by Ralph Unger 4/21/2011 8:46:42 PM

  • So 300 years before Chernobyl is safe for people to live there. Who know about Fukushima? It is still releasing radioactive particles today.
    by Ralph Unger 4/21/2011 8:49:18 PM

  • @Ralph Unger So... ~2311 A.D. ?
    by Reed 4/21/2011 8:49:32 PM

  • Minus the 20 years that have passed. :-)
    by Ralph Unger 4/21/2011 8:50:03 PM

  • OK this is alarming. I came across this newresearchfindingstwo.blogspot.com which is a news recording of an article appearing in the Tennesean saying that the EPA was planning to increase its acceptable radiation limits. I did a Google search for the article found it www.google.com but it has been removed www.tennessean.com
    by Sin 4/21/2011 8:51:18 PM

  • @all I found these articles on the children of Chernobyl incredibly interesting. Unfortunately a legacy that continues... www.chernobyl-international.org
    by LM 4/21/2011 8:52:31 PM

  • @Ralph Unger They are not as low as background levels...which is a false assumption anyway, as no amount of radiation is safe.
    by Sin 4/21/2011 8:53:44 PM

  • @Sin we have the old limits in the FAQ if we need them to compare. Odd the paper would delete a newer story like that
    by Nancy 4/21/2011 8:53:55 PM

  • Surprised? 100 mSv was the limit for workers at the plant until this disaster happened, now it is "Miraculously" 250 mSv. I guess politicians can dictate the amount of radiation that is harmful to workers not the medical professionals who set the limits.
    by Ralph Unger 4/21/2011 8:54:28 PM

  • Radiation at any level is a silent genetic game-changer.
    by LM 4/21/2011 8:54:52 PM

  • Found another article about the EPA increases www.naturalnews.com
    by Nancy 4/21/2011 9:01:14 PM

  • Found this www.nirs.org which talks about the Dept.Homeland Security radiation limits overriding EPA limits "Historically, EPA has employed cleanup standards that keep resulting risks of
    cancer incidence within a range of one in a million (1 x 10-6) to one in ten thousand (1 x
    10-4). In non-cleanup settings, it has generally not permitted doses greater than 15
    millirem/year.1 It has consistently opposed proposed radiation limits that exceed these
    risk and dose ranges. The “benchmark” cleanup recommendations contemplated in the
    Department of Homeland Security dirty bomb cleanup guidance, from 100 mrem/year to
    10,000 mrem/year, significantly exceed doses and risks EPA considers protective of
    public health. "
    by Sin 4/21/2011 9:04:23 PM

  • @Nancy Seems like I stumbled upon something here...please, someone prove me wrong about the EPA limits.
    by Sin 4/21/2011 9:05:24 PM

  • Good link Sin, I am trying to tell you that you are wrong. But I doubt that I can.
    by Ralph Unger 4/21/2011 9:06:41 PM

  • by Sin 4/21/2011 9:06:51 PM

  • @Ralph Unger Well prove it to me then. I want to be wrong.
    by Sin 4/21/2011 9:07:45 PM

  • Your wrong. Check my informative link to prove it. Umm 1 min on that link.
    by Ralph Unger 4/21/2011 9:09:12 PM

  • Fukushima, you see, is doing to the Pacific Ocean what BP and the Deepwater Horizon did to the Gulf of Mexico last summer. Except that in the case of Fukushima, that radiation doesn't just disappear with the help of millions of gallons of toxic chemicals. Nope, that radiation sticks around for decades.

    So what to do? If you're the United States Environment Protection Agency, there's only one option: Declare radiation to be safe!

    Yes indeed, friends, we have reached a moment of comedic insanity at the EPA, where those in charge of protecting the environment are hastily rewriting the definition of "radioactive contamination" in order to make sure that whatever fallout reaches the United States falls under the new limits of "safe" radiation.

    The EPA maintains a set of so-called "Protective Action Guides" (PAGs). These PAGs are being quickly revised to radically increase the allowable levels of iodine-131 (a radioactive isotope) to anywhere from 3,000 to 100,000 times the currently allowable levels.

    The group Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER) is all over this issue, having obtained internal emails from a FOIA requests that reveal some truly shocking revelations of the level of back-stabbing betrayal happening inside the EPA. For example, under the newly-revised PAGs, drinking just one glass of water considered "safe" by the EPA could subject you to the lifetime limit of radiation. (http://www.peer.org/news/news_id.ph...)

    "In addition," PEER goes on to say, "it would allow long-term cleanup limits thousands of times more lax than anything EPA has ever before accepted. These new limits would cause a cancer in as much as every fourth person exposed."

    These new PAGs would also vastly increase the allowable levels of radiation in soil and food, too. That way, when the radioactive fallout from Fukushima's massive release of raw radioactive water begins to rain down upon the West Coast, the EPA can officially announce that all the radiation is "below accepted limits." That's very comforting to many people, you see.

    And why is it below the limits? Because the EPA just raised the limits by as much as 100,000 times!

    Quack science is alive and well as the government
    Truly, this is science at its most delightful. When the facts don't fit your fairy tale, simply rewrite the fairy tale to discard the facts! That's science for you today, folks: There's nothing that can't be denied, censored, oppressed or ignored if you just fudge the numbers with enough determination and arrogance.

    The U.S. government does the exact same thing with vitamin D, of course. By lowering the definition of vitamin D deficiency to mean only those with a blood level below 30, the government magically and instantly transforms a wildly deficient American population into a "sufficiently nourished" population! It's magic, friends. Magic with numbers.

    But even the EPA's sleight-of-hand magic isn't fooling very many people this time around. Even the most TV-obsessed, CNN-watching news zombie has by now figured out that too much radiation is bad for you. After all, the media has been screaming at people about the dangers of sunlight radiation for years, insisting that the mere act of sunlight touching your skin could kill you from skin cancer.

    Learn more: www.naturalnews.com
    Thanks Nancy
    by Sin 4/21/2011 9:11:39 PM

  • Check out "The Oil Drum" for good info as well. www.theoildrum.com
    by Ralph Unger 4/21/2011 9:13:13 PM

  • @Nancy You have the link to the EPA's previous limits?
    by Sin 4/21/2011 9:17:25 PM

  • @Sin a copy on the FAQ from a while back so we had the original limits along with limits for some other countries fukushimafaq.wikispaces.com
    by Nancy 4/21/2011 9:20:16 PM

  • EPA revised the levels of:
    Sr-90 by +1,000%
    I-131 by +3,000% to +100,000%
    Ni-63 by +25,000%
    by Reed 4/21/2011 9:20:53 PM

  • @Reed You mean to say the EPA revised the Maximum safety level ??
    by VeenOui 4/21/2011 9:23:19 PM

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