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  • @general *1: exposure dose limit
    The exposure dose limit for the emergency situation in the emergency
    response measures implementation area from the day of declaration of
    a nuclear emergency situation until the day of cancellation of such
    declaration is stipulated to be 250 mSv.

    *2: determination of exposure dose
    Determining the exposure dose by adding exposure dose during the stay in
    Main Anti-Earthquake Building to the exposure dose during the work and
    evaluating the committed effective dose of internal exposure.
    www.jpubb.com
    by elainekirk 4/30/2011 12:33:32 PM

  • good morning Queens and KIngs
    by dean 4/30/2011 12:33:49 PM

  • @all. Has #1 been cooling down lately?
    by Nancy 4/30/2011 12:34:18 PM

  • Speak of El Diablo!
    by Rob in SF 4/30/2011 12:34:19 PM

  • @dean ships that pass in the night just venturing forth see you later :)
    by elainekirk 4/30/2011 12:34:28 PM

  • be safe in the deep sea of life out there elaine.. did you leave the kettle warm
    by dean 4/30/2011 12:34:53 PM

  • @Nancy @rob will point you to #1 news report further down they have changed their plans
    @dean coffee made
    by elainekirk 4/30/2011 12:35:05 PM

  • (Thinking to self) When you add a number with five digits of apparent precision (201.80) to one with two digits of apparent precision (39), isn't your answer only precise to two digits?
    by General Armchair 4/30/2011 12:35:27 PM

  • This is a ridiculous sentence: "The exposure dose limit for the emergency situation in the emergency
    response measures implementation area from the day of declaration of
    a nuclear emergency situation until the day of cancellation of such
    declaration is stipulated to be 250 mSv. "
    by Rob in SF 4/30/2011 12:35:42 PM

  • Rob... attorney talk whewwwww
    by dean 4/30/2011 12:37:08 PM

  • "The party of the first part shall be known in this contract as the party of the first part"??
    by General Armchair 4/30/2011 12:37:22 PM

  • one point.. if you look at the latest fukushima data release... I thought I saw severity level 3.. or was it an old copy..
    by dean 4/30/2011 12:38:31 PM

  • @dean You mean INES scale? I believe they are STILL rating #4 as only an INES 3.
    by General Armchair 4/30/2011 12:39:13 PM

  • I'd have to go back and check General... there must be some magic formula to decide.. well.. we've been a 7 now lets go to 3
    by dean 4/30/2011 12:40:26 PM

  • fukushima.greenaction-japan.org
    Physicians for Social Responsibility: No safe level of radiation
    30 April 2011
    PSR Statement on the Increase of Allowable Dose of Ionizing Radiation to Children in Fukushima Prefecture
    by ALBLEE 4/30/2011 12:41:37 PM

  • Average individual background radiation dose: 0.23μSv/h (0.00023mSv/h); 0.17μSv/h for Australians, 0.34μSv/h for Americans.

    Highest reported level during Fukushima accident: 1000 mSv/h reported as the level at a pool of water in the turbine room of reactor two.
    en.wikipedia.org
    by Rob in SF 4/30/2011 12:42:32 PM

  • No wonder he resigned over a proposed 20 mSv a year for Fukushima kids at school...

    Maximum acceptable dose for the public from any man made facility: 1 mSv/year
    en.wikipedia.org
    by Rob in SF 4/30/2011 12:46:22 PM

  • Have some new news from a reporter. They are going to attempt to put air filtration systems into unit 1. The air cooled plan will require extensive human construction work. They are also looking for a building on site sturdy enough to plug doors etc. and use as a pool to hold water. He spoke to construction workers on site who said they have no clue how to go about putting pillars under #4 SFP.
    by Nancy 4/30/2011 12:47:20 PM

  • @Nancy Great intel!!!
    by Rob in SF 4/30/2011 12:48:17 PM

  • @Rob in SF I think the problem is that wthout that high a permissable level, they would have to evacuate larger areas, including probably much if not all of Fukushima City. The plume in map you posted pretty much points right at Fukushima City.
    by General Armchair 4/30/2011 12:48:49 PM

  • Filling a building as a pool should be fairly easy. Good idea.
    by Rob in SF 4/30/2011 12:49:20 PM

  • @elainekirk my coffee has not kicked in yet, what article am I looking for?
    by Nancy 4/30/2011 12:50:04 PM

  • @General Armchair No doubt. Decisions are being weighed against the costs of compensation. That needs to stop.
    by Rob in SF 4/30/2011 12:50:45 PM

  • @Rob in SF Not a bad idea as long as the building is really sturdy and partially underground. Otherwise they run the risk of walls buckling under the outward pressure like an above ground pool.
    by Nancy 4/30/2011 12:50:52 PM

  • @General Armchair Don't MAKE us pull out the Chernobyl freaks pictures...
    by Rob in SF 4/30/2011 12:51:43 PM

  • @Nancy Easy to buttress the walls though. Just bulldozing gravel up to the walls should suffice.
    by Rob in SF 4/30/2011 12:52:33 PM

  • I still think they're going to need a supertanker though...
    by Rob in SF 4/30/2011 12:53:26 PM

  • @General Armchair Here is my big issue with the insufficient evacuation zones, vague or high dose limits etc. The people in those areas that are not declared evacuation zones or are being exposed to levels under the high dose limits will get zero help. They will get no compensation. They will not get any help or money for relocating. So unless they have significant savings to move at their own cost what are they to do? This goes for the children dosage levels. The govt. is pushing to reopen schools and doing the dirt scraping to try to get them to a point they can be opened. It is a money thing. They don't want to lose more land and local economy and they are willing to risk people's lives and health to do it. It is just criminal.
    by Nancy 4/30/2011 12:54:13 PM

  • @Nancy I absolutely agree. CRIMINAL!!
    by General Armchair 4/30/2011 12:55:15 PM

  • @Nancy, not to spoil your morning but just playing devil's advocate ... knowing the realities there, on the ground, part of the news sourcing territory is gingerly sniffing for plants, but that is such a difficult thing to do.
    by ALBLEE 4/30/2011 12:55:22 PM

  • @Rob in SF cast concrete beams could be brought in and put in vertical like fence posts or mold and pour outside buttresses to shore something up. I found the air scrubbing idea interesting since Dean mentioned it something like the first week into this mess. :-)
    by Nancy 4/30/2011 12:55:39 PM

  • They are doing the same thing by hiking the permissable doses for workers. You get zapped by 200 mSv and develop something in 10 years, you are SOOL.
    by General Armchair 4/30/2011 12:55:56 PM

  • @ALBLEE I take everything with a grain of salt as I end up having to mostly take people at their word on these things.
    by Nancy 4/30/2011 12:56:46 PM

  • @ALBEE You made a comment a while ago about Russians giving back to Japanese, in reference to "mega-float." Unless there's another mega-float out there, I'm pretty sure the "mega-float" is coming from Japan itself. It had been a sort of floating park for a seaside communty there. Cryptome had some pics and captions about it, can't remember which set.
    by General Armchair 4/30/2011 12:58:32 PM

  • @General Armchair It will likely be tons of litigation. I don't know what the Japanese court system is like. I hope it is better than what the Russians had available. That is the problem with thresholds, you have an amount just under the threshold and your screwed. Plus there was an initial lack of monitoring of people's doses. Those SDF and firefighters in on the first days likely didn't have dosimeters and received high doses.
    by Nancy 4/30/2011 12:58:43 PM

  • this whole idea of tweeking does limits appalls me, why a government would stoop to placing the FUTURE GENERATION into harms way around fukushima with some fabricated idea that it will have no affects.. it borders on crimes to humanity
    by dean 4/30/2011 12:58:46 PM

  • Nancy.. I believe that AREVA has been awarded the contract to build a water prepossessing facility there
    by dean 4/30/2011 12:59:22 PM

  • @Rob in SF. It's an old topic, but, if the water had 2-6 sieverts and I stood in it for a while and my feet got wet and then I got a burn on my leg.....not sure I buy any millisievert estimate.
    by Scilla 4/30/2011 12:59:32 PM

  • @dean There are people in Japan in official places complaining about the higher child dose rate but I don't know who could stop it. I don't know if court injunctions are possible in their legal system. It is all about industry and economy, forcing things "back to normal" when they are not and those people will pay the price.
    by Nancy 4/30/2011 1:00:20 PM

  • @Scilla He allegedly has 240.08 mSv IIRC.
    by Rob in SF 4/30/2011 1:00:33 PM

  • @Dean. Areva should be digging already!!
    by Scilla 4/30/2011 1:00:47 PM

  • @Nancy Not to mention that not all workers didn't even HAVE dosimeters for a while. Only after the story broke did TEPCO think about driving a station wagon to one of their other plants and picking up a couple gross for Daiichi workers to use. Took them 24 hours to figure that out, once the story broke.
    by General Armchair 4/30/2011 1:00:59 PM

  • Researchers such as Dr. John Goffman, a respected professor of molecular cell biology at the University of California – Berkeley, have written extensively on the dangers of underestimating the risks of low-dose ionizing radiation. Writing in an article titled ‘Beware the Data Diddlers,’ he argues that, “evidence and logic suggest[s] that low-dose ionizing radiation may well be the most important single cause of cancer, birth defects, and genetic disorders.”
    www.brama.com
    by Rob in SF 4/30/2011 1:01:07 PM

  • Areva is a huge company making tons of money off all kinda of nuclear.. like mox fuel fab... I'm sure they will mobilize quickly
    by dean 4/30/2011 1:01:19 PM

  • @dean there was a story yesterday that this water processing technology has been making people ill where they have used it and is dumping tons of radiation back into the water so it isn't 100% useful.
    by Nancy 4/30/2011 1:01:31 PM

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