Japan Earthquake

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@Nancy I grew up speaking galic, (Irish) but after my grandparents passed... i forgot it... i have tried three differnt systems.. and still can't reber it
by fitter 5/1/2011 1:50:54 PM

Gm all, It seemed to me as if some greenish slime is growing in the tank.
by Peter Melzer 5/1/2011 1:51:12 PM

@Nancy do we have anyone that can traslate other than the computors.... are there still anyone for japan lurking???
by fitter 5/1/2011 1:52:04 PM

@Peter Melzer what tank are we talking about
by fitter 5/1/2011 1:52:28 PM

What docs are you talking about? IAEA require English so most docs are in that language if you can find them.
by Ralph Unger 5/1/2011 1:53:04 PM

@you, sorry not "tank", POOL like SFP. The water is not as clear as in the PR pics.
by Peter Melzer 5/1/2011 1:53:43 PM

That is from the seawater I would think, noting could be growing (algae) in those pools.
by Ralph Unger 5/1/2011 1:54:45 PM

here it is www.houseoffoust.com
by Nancy via Houseoffoust 5/1/2011 1:55:08 PM

@Nancy FYI on phyform this moring they are talking about the green box... but the one post makes a good point, IF he is correcct he notes that the "gray area" is located under the #4 SFP... it could be possible that they were in the process of "reinforcing the underneath" before the Quake and maybe that is the reason they have more concern about 4.... I have not verified any of this just passing it on .......
by fitter 5/1/2011 1:56:26 PM

@fitter the person that emailed me from my website I think lives in Japan and provided the translation on the image below. They also sent me more links I have to go through to find out if they are duplicates we already have or not. I can ask them if they could translate some others but would want to prioritize so I don't ask them to do too much.
by Nancy 5/1/2011 1:56:47 PM

@fitter, as to the language, I know that Japanese use three kinds of writing, two phonetic and one ideographic (the houses). You can write in almost any direction you like. Fascinating. Usually books start in the back (for us) and end front. Fascinating!

by Peter Melzer 5/1/2011 1:57:06 PM

@fitter Did they have a picture? Not sure what they are referring to
by Nancy 5/1/2011 1:57:28 PM

liscensing of new reactors in USA
by dean 5/1/2011 1:58:33 PM

Michio Ishikawa, the former head of the Japan Nuclear Technology Institute and the current "most senior" advisor to the Institute, says not only the fuels have melted down completely but some of them may already be outside the Pressure Vessels ex-skf.blogspot.com (beware, some have had problems with this site)
by Bobby1 5/1/2011 1:59:52 PM

@ nancy lost my comment, forgot all i was saying but i agree we would not want to burn out the welcome
by fitter 5/1/2011 2:01:05 PM

@fitter If you have specifics that really need translating send me a list in email so I don't lose it or miss the post.
by Nancy 5/1/2011 2:03:03 PM

@Ralph Unger, stuff growing in the cooling system could cause additional serious problems!
by Peter Melzer 5/1/2011 2:04:01 PM

time to go drive people unable to go to service.. be back later
by dean 5/1/2011 2:05:29 PM

What could grow in an environment with that much radiation?
by Ralph Unger 5/1/2011 2:05:48 PM

@Edano, I hope they notice higher rad readings along the roadways. I believe vehicles drag the contamination out. They must make a greater effort to hose them down.
by Peter Melzer 5/1/2011 2:06:02 PM

@Ralph Unger, good question. I wondered, too. I also wondered about the temp. Also algae need sufficient light. However, primitive lifeforms can be quite resilient to radiation.
by Peter Melzer 5/1/2011 2:08:25 PM

@Peter Melzer : i agree to that. it would be a good option to decontaminate vehicles, but there is nothing like that.
by Edano 5/1/2011 2:08:32 PM

NHK: At the Number 2 reactor, TEPCO continues to pump out highly radioactive water that has accumulated in a tunnel connected to the reactor to an on-site waste processing facility.

TEPCO says about 2,560 tons of the water has been moved into the facility since work began on April 19th.

The company says the surface of the water in the tunnel was 84 centimeters below ground level as of 7AM on Sunday, down 4 centimeters since the work began.

The utility adds that radioactive water in the tunnel of the Number 3 reactor facility has been rising for several days, and reached 90 centimeters below ground level at 7AM, 2 centimeters higher than the figure a day before
by marie rich 5/1/2011 2:10:15 PM

I believe that the SDF are hosing down vehicles leaving the zone.
by Ralph Unger 5/1/2011 2:10:22 PM

on the other hand, doing nothing is a good way to dilute radiation ......
by Edano 5/1/2011 2:10:33 PM

There's a whole big graveyard of contaminated buses, firetrucks, cars, choppers at Chernobyl
by marie rich 5/1/2011 2:11:21 PM

@Edano, they essentially have to equip car washes with sumps, storage tanks and filtering systems, and every vehicle leaving the area must go through them.
by Peter Melzer 5/1/2011 2:11:27 PM

We use radiation to sterilize food, that is killing of the primitive life forms.
by Ralph Unger 5/1/2011 2:11:35 PM

I think it is just unclean water that was pumped in and maybe dirt and debris as well.
by Ralph Unger 5/1/2011 2:12:28 PM

@Ralph Unger, it also could be a product of a chemical reaction like alums.
by Peter Melzer 5/1/2011 2:13:32 PM

Yep, good point, who knows what is going on in there.
by Ralph Unger 5/1/2011 2:14:22 PM

@Bobby1 : thank you for this article. basically, Michio Ishikawa points out that the corium is the real big problem, and they are not doing anything to control it. they just fight against water and debris, but this is nothing but a joke. they are not even touching the really concerning problems.
by Edano 5/1/2011 2:14:26 PM

@Nancy are you still there was trying to find the post number
by fitter 5/1/2011 2:16:51 PM

@marie rich, the contamination as reached beyond the plant. With area I meant the prefecture more or less.
by Peter Melzer 5/1/2011 2:18:12 PM

Seawater and zirconium... "Zirconium is a transitional metal, and forms many precipitates, which however most of them are white in colour, including the sulphide, which usually always form dark ppts. " www.marz-kreations.com
by Ralph Unger 5/1/2011 2:18:47 PM

@Nancy : your japanese source must be very "hot". how can he know where the used and new fuel is in the pool ? he must be very informed !
by Edano 5/1/2011 2:19:39 PM

@Ralph Unger, the greenish color could stem from the seawater and the lighting.
by Peter Melzer 5/1/2011 2:20:02 PM

@Edano @Bobby1 Absolutely, that testimony is a big deal. Those are some pretty alarming (speculative) numbers coming from Ishikawa, if the translations are accurate. Add that to the very public and tearful resignation of Kosako over the radiation level for children being raised, and it looks like the 'Nothing to see here, move along...' crowd is finally getting some more publicized resistance.
by Askwhy 5/1/2011 2:21:51 PM

Mostly the seawater I would think. The lighting should be more blueish as it is natural sunlight instead of artificial as it was when the structure had a roof.
by Ralph Unger 5/1/2011 2:22:02 PM

@Askwhy Michio Ishikawa of the Japan Nuclear Technology Institute on the situation at Fukushima I Nuke Plant, as he appeared on Asahi TV on April 29.

"I believe the fuel rods are completely melted. They may already have escaped the pressure vessel. Yes, they say 55% or 30%, but I believe they are all melted down. When the fuel rods melt, they melt from the middle part on down.

(Showing the diagram) "I think the temperature inside the melted core is 2000 degrees to 2000 and several hundred degrees Celsius. A crust has formed on the surface where the water hits. Decay heat is 2000 to 3000 kilowatts, and through the cracks on the crust the radioactive materials (mostly noble gas and iodine) are escaping into the air.

"Volatile gas has almost all escaped from the reactor by now.

"The water [inside the pressure vessel] is highly contaminated with uranium, plutonium, cesium, cobalt, in the concentration we've never seen before.

"My old colleague contacted me and shared his calculation with me. At the decay heat of 2000 kilowatt... There's a substance called cobalt 60. Highly radioactive, needs 1 to 1.5 meter thick shields. It kills people at 1000 curies. He calculated that there are 10 million curies of cobalt-60 in the reactor core. If 10% of cobalt-60 in the core dissolve into water, it's 1 million curies." ex-skf.blogspot.com
by Edano 5/1/2011 2:23:57 PM

@Peter Melzer from looking at the photos and the number one blueprint is seems like they have lost the system that would keep the pool water chemistry in balance and this would also go along with havig to hose pump the water into the pool.... now what effect the chemistry cleaning system being down for a month has is not in my area... we just put in what they design, and usually don't care why its there... unless it doesn't fit phyicaly
by fitter 5/1/2011 2:24:10 PM

@Edano My source found the picture on a Japanese web site and sent me the link to it. I do not know if they created the image. They were just kind enough to translate for me. Here is the page that picture is on. response.jp
by Nancy 5/1/2011 2:25:16 PM

"When the fuel rods melt, they melt from the middle part on down." not if only the top is exposed to air.
by Ralph Unger 5/1/2011 2:25:30 PM

@Askwhy @Edano Ishikawa and Richard Lahey are both absolutely top-flight experts, both of them have said corium has escaped. Add to this the isotope analysis proves this too. Add to this that Tepco has admitted that the contaminated water is evaporating.
by Bobby1 5/1/2011 2:25:40 PM