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  • I have to go crash.
    @carabnr, the pig I grabbed was a pulled back shot. On that one everything was vertical except #4. I will probably grab another image in the morning and check it again since they change angles.
    by Nancy 5/6/2011 3:58:24 AM

  • @carabnr nancy has a picture with lines at 9:32, an hour and 20 min. ago.
    by marie rich 5/6/2011 3:58:59 AM

  • reduction was implemented. We will continue to market should be factored in the risk of gradual failure.

    (Omitted)

    Stable power supply during summer, including two nuclear power plant accident Hukushima convergence issues a priority (avoid the blackout

    including the separation electric power project eight ships, including a radical overhaul of the primary regulatory separation NISA

    (Omitted)
    A review of nuclear safety regulation must be the primary regulatory completely separate from the ministry.

    Yamaichi, as well as the mobilization of human resources was a breakthrough in bankruptcy and LTCB breakthrough that TEPCO failure.

    (Omitted)]

    Kan administration, might have not been able to fully utilize the power of the bureaucracy.
    by Jim Carver 5/6/2011 3:59:52 AM

  • I'll look Night Nancy.
    by carabnr 5/6/2011 4:00:22 AM

  • I took out the intermediary for brevity. Maybe I should post the 'whole' thing.
    by Jim Carver 5/6/2011 4:02:15 AM

  • Long time lurker here. I enjoy the open discourse. I haven't really had anything to contribute until now. My partner who is Japanese brought this blog post to my attention. It is from Taro Kono, who is in the house of representatives (LDP, opposition to current government):

    www.taro.org

    In particular this section:

    "エネ庁の若手官僚から添付ファイルが3通ついたメールが来た。

    その一
    5月1日の政府・東電統合本部全体会合の議事録。
    『このままいくと8日にも高濃度の放出が行われる。』
    『細野補佐官から,本件は熱交換機の設置といった次のステップに進む上で非常に重要である,また,(今後, 放射性物質が外に排出され得るという点で,)汚染水排出の際の失敗を繰り返さないよう,関係者は情報共有を 密に行い,高い感度を持って取り組んで欲しい,とする発言があった。』"

    Translation (non-literal and our understanding):

    I received 3 emails with attachments from junior government officials in the energy department.

    The first email:
    Minutes of meeting between TEPCO and the government on the 1st May.
    "If the current situation continues, high density radiation will be released on the 8th May."
    "Mr Hosono said: It is very important to go to the next step regarding the installation of the heat exchanger machine. For the concerned parties, be careful of the sharing of information with high sensitivity so that the same mistakes aren't made again like the release of the radiated water previously.

    The second and third emails aren't related so we didn't translate it. It isn't clear from the text the way the radiation will be released. ie airborne or via water.

    The aforementioned energy department English homepage is this:
    www.enecho.meti.go.jp

    Perhaps those who are following the work and/or parameters of the reactors could hypothesise what they are thinking about doing.
    by Jim Carver 5/6/2011 4:05:00 AM

  • The Phantom Draft Energy Agency

    Sun May 05 year 2011 21:31 | minister in charge of administrative reform in the shadow of civil service reform | nuclear fuel cycle

    The three went through the mail came from the bureaucracy of young attachment energy agency.

    Integrating the entire TEPCO Group meeting minutes of May 1 the government one of them.
    [Release is made with a high concentration of 8 days will be like this. ]
    [From assistant Hosono, this case is very important on the go to the next step, such as installation of heat exchangers, and (the future in terms that can be discharged out of the radioactive material) during discharge of contaminated water avoid repeating mistakes, officials close to the sharing of information we want working with high sensitivity, which was said. ]

    The two [24 April 2011 Ministry of Economy, Energy Policy Challenges in the earthquake of this current revealed a document]

    The three process measures [Tokyo Electric Power (Revised)]

    "In mid-April" on "a visionary plan 握Ritsubusa," but about the comment that they plan to obtain a highly processed. "On" is in the Democratic administration refers to the role of political leadership three other political affairs minister 海江田.

    I killed the idea, defended the fare hike plan in just TEPCO, is watching the Democratic identity.

    Below, some quotes.
    [To use the community's concern for the summer blackout of TEPCO, "dissolve into chaos and disrupting the Tokyo Electric Power," and threatening the government, but many have received truly facing it, collapsed-stop operation The apparent that there is, to secure funding for the operation and its important that it be clarified as soon as possible to guarantee the government. (Which can be processed if it took time)
    Also wrong, first because of excessive debt nationalization, the government has a choice of investment. It could become a risk to the public to pass on at once.
    TEPCO is essentially different from JAL operating companies and the general public, can not escape completely impatient customers in the local monopoly, there is a feature that enters a stable fee income. (It says it can talk with a straight face electricity price hikes. In other words, Kuni Tsuyoshi need to stick that needs to be done early treatment to prevent damage to the business value that is highlighted when the play is not.)

    Has been used for the corporate bond market collapse that threatened to cause scratches on the bond or financial instability and TEPCO will collapse, will suffice to accommodate the market of several trillion yen of bad loans, lending capacity to temporarily should say here that injection of public funds to leverage financial stabilization scheme if there is no such thing as a bank. (The bank should no longer be silent but it absolutely disgusting.)

    Shareholders came into the trading prices of today, there were a lot who are buying in the calculation of easy money if you can help the country. The market is beginning to factored the possibility of failure already quite a lot in the shareholder from the old 100 the future can be thought that the decision of holding Satoshi Satoshi bankruptcy or to stop loss% a major problem as a capital reduction is not . JAL actually had a debate at exactly the same, 100% capital reduction was implemented. We will continue to market should be factored in the risk of gradual failure.

    (Omitted)

    Stable power supply during summer, including two nuclear power plant accident Hukushima convergence issues a priority (avoid the blackout and sudden death)
    Gain a sense of satisfaction of a fair and public officials realize the burden of minimizing the burden on taxpayers 5 6 rapid implementation of compensation to victims of the financial crisis around four primary Hukuzima anxiety caused by TEPCO Tsutomu Takara 3 (essential for the smooth processing )
    7-induced anti-earthquake measures, implementation of the decision process, including the separation of TEPCO play nine drastic revision of regulations, including the separation electric power project eight ships, including a radical overhaul of the primary regulatory separation NISA

    (Omitted)
    A review of nuclear safety regulation must be the primary regulatory completely separate from the ministry.
    2 Nuclear Safety Agency was abolished, reorganized fundamentally strengthen the Nuclear Safety Commission (Tsuyoshi Masu staff also) be highly independent commission to Article 3.
    Introduced measures to ensure the independence and fairness of the three committees. (Such as disclosure of information about funding from the utility company and its affiliates support organization)
    4 Secretariat, recruited a large number of civilians, including foreigners. To post you need to place the staff or expertise it deserves. Also making a special pay scale, if necessary. This area is very high professional level in Japan have found that even very low levels of private sector than the United States and France. Were exposed to the same level of talent in the financial sector bubble burst. Requires mobilization of public and private resources. Promote internationalization and sophistication of personnel in the field of primary regulation of the Galapagos by this. Yamaichi, as well as the mobilization of human resources was a breakthrough in bankruptcy and LTCB breakthrough that TEPCO failure.

    (Omitted)]

    Kan administration, might have not been able to fully utilize the power of the bureaucracy.
    by Jim Carver 5/6/2011 4:06:05 AM

  • The lieral translation: "It is an attachment from the readers through three young officials of the Office of Energy. TEPCO meeting minutes total integration of government headquarters on May 1 of this. [The release of high concentrations of 8 days and this will remain to be done.] [the aide Hosono, this case is very important on the go to the next step and installation of heat exchangers, and (the future in terms that can be discharged out of the radioactive material), contaminated water Avoid repeated failures during the discharge, the participants closely to share information we want working with high sensitivity, which was said.] "
    by Jim Carver 5/6/2011 4:11:21 AM

  • That pic form an hour and a half ago makes it look like 4 is the Leaning Tower of Pisa
    by carabnr 5/6/2011 4:19:03 AM

  • It is a pretty incredible "Illegal" (Im sure) release. I saved one of the translations as well. Those potential rads terrify me, I fear for the world as we know it. So I try to have a little fun along the way. Hope you all are too. Night all. I'm trying to book a plane....Any thoughts about flying?
    by carabnr 5/6/2011 4:34:16 AM

  • At the office now. A few things. Thinking about the blog post about TEPCO's statement about the 8th. I agree that this most likely referred to the opening of the air ducts inside R1. It is scheduled. It will release "high density" radiation, but not necessarily something along the lines of all the fuel in the SFP in R4. It is unlikely that TEPCO would warn of a release that will result in the future from their failures. In the first instance, they appear to be in control. In the second they appear to be completely out of control. They are very unlikely, even if they knew it to be true, to admit ahead of time to such a thing.
    by bo 5/6/2011 4:39:35 AM

  • Second, I have heard back from a colleague of mine who reads Japanese politics very well. He reads the Kono blog post as an attack on the ruling Democratic Party by an LDPer more than as a dire warning. From his reply: "The point he wanted to emphasize in his blog was that the Democrat has lost the checking ability of TEPCO and protecting its interests. The expected release of high density radiation on May 8 is, of course, serious issue, but it seems to me that it is not the deadly worst release, and Taro Kono's point in his original blog is that he has many connections with government officials who are critical to current relationship between the Democratic government and TEPCO. "
    by bo 5/6/2011 4:41:03 AM

  • @bo Yeah I think you are right, the most they have to fear is the unknown and I think that just happened tonight. They do desparately want to be in control, because that is where they are used to being and it seems like they attain it for a moment--and poof, slips away. This situation would be impossible for any government or organization and that's what makes them look like fools most of the time.
    by Jim Carver 5/6/2011 4:47:01 AM

  • @bo Ty for the thoughtful and informed analysis. So botton line it's more of a political poke?
    by marie rich 5/6/2011 4:48:56 AM

  • I think the politics in Japan is so convoluted for most Americans, it's just hard to understand. Looking at the seeming changes in the country in the last 70 years it's hard to imagine how they view themselves or reconcile themselves in a world where they might have been the top dogs to a one that is secondary to the US.
    by Jim Carver 5/6/2011 4:57:16 AM

  • pointscope01.jp

    Teppycam --> 2011/05/06 14:01 JST

    by alblee via Pointscope01.jp 5/6/2011 5:05:22 AM

  • @Jim Carver good night. I would say that Kono's post is probably more of a political jab, and that is why he published it in public. That said, it is a window into TEPCO as briefer. What will be interesting to watch is how they present this information to the public, if they do at all.
    by bo 5/6/2011 5:10:45 AM

  • Closer view of #4 on TBS right now
    by bo 5/6/2011 5:12:53 AM

  • @bo The tippy cam? Oh boy, pun implied I'm afraid. See you guys, i'm kinda tippy myself :)
    by Jim Carver 5/6/2011 5:16:21 AM

  • @Jim Carver well don't tip too far!
    by bo 5/6/2011 5:20:16 AM

  • Not Daiichi, but interesting ...
    online.wsj.com

    Tepco Finds Valve Glitch At Kashiwazaki Kariwa Nuclear Plant, No Radiation Leak
    MAY 6, 2011, 12:37 A.M. ET

    TOKYO (Dow Jones)--Tokyo Electric Power Co. (9501.TO) said Friday it found a glitch with one of the valves that helps pump cooling water into the No. 1 reactor of the Kashiwazaki Kariwa nuclear power plant in Niigata prefecture, northern Japan.

    The utility said it found the valve didn't close during a regular checkup late Thursday, so it had to be shut manually.

    But the company said there had been no external leakage of radioactivity.

    -By Hiroyuki Kachi, Dow Jones Newswires; 813-6269-2789; Hiroyuki.Kachi@dowjones.com
    by alblee 5/6/2011 5:23:25 AM

  • Another point that a friend mentioned is that because of all of the water being loaded into #4 and the other reactors as well, there must be some amount of overflow that has saturated the ground around and under the buildings, leading to less support
    by bo 5/6/2011 7:08:53 AM

  • Hi Bo, one of the major concerns with Chernobyl was groundwater contamination, They stopped it with LN2 cooling under the plant, here it is a given, it already happened, so I think history will make this the larger accident, this will be the bigger disaster.
    by Ralph Unger 5/6/2011 7:11:29 AM

  • Was the nuclear sludge from the rain as they said, or from the groundwater? Time will tell.
    by Ralph Unger 5/6/2011 7:13:48 AM

  • In the wastewater treatment plants.
    by Ralph Unger 5/6/2011 7:14:15 AM

  • Tippy webcam has almost no visibility right now
    because of fog or smoke.
    by bo 5/6/2011 7:19:09 AM

  • TEPCO webcam showing full visibility
    by bo 5/6/2011 7:20:28 AM

  • Limited visibility returning to the Tippycam
    by bo 5/6/2011 7:22:33 AM

  • @bo how is #4 doing did you see it before tepco hid behind yet another smokescreen
    by elainekirk 5/6/2011 7:40:26 AM

  • @all Please consider the possibility that this live cam feed JNN/TBS is intended to mislead. Possibility exists that, shortly after going live, they began to recycle the feed. Pehaps related to earlier post : I received 3 emails with attachments from junior government officials in the energy department.

    The first email:
    Minutes of meeting between TEPCO and the government on the 1st May.
    "If the current situation continues, high density radiation will be released on the 8th May."
    "Mr Hosono said: It is very important to go to the next step regarding the installation of the heat exchanger machine. For the concerned parties, be careful of the sharing of information with high sensitivity so that the same mistakes aren't made again like the release of the radiated water previously. (link exists back a few pages) ***Could this be a pre-planned coverup? When did the live cam appear? and was this before or after the GOJ began emailing about a major release of radiation on May 8th?***
    by smoss 5/6/2011 7:41:19 AM

  • @elainekirk it seems to be doing just the same. The smoke/fog has cleared at moments and nothing seems to have changed, but I can't imagine for the life of me what is blocking the view.
    by bo 5/6/2011 7:41:25 AM

  • @smoss well there is certainly no reconciling the two visible "webcams" right now
    by bo 5/6/2011 7:47:46 AM

  • @smoss Tepco recently changed to a new security company and I seem to recall that cctv was installed with camera's sited high on perimeter fences so yeah this could be tepco/ this could be recycled/
    by elainekirk 5/6/2011 7:48:01 AM

  • One is .5 km away and one is 30 km away.
    by Ralph Unger 5/6/2011 7:48:40 AM

  • On a mountain....
    by Ralph Unger 5/6/2011 7:49:07 AM

  • In terms of the Tippycam, there was clearly visible tufts of smoke or fog blowing, and occasionally clearing, and #3 and #4 would then be visible, but now there is just nothing
    by bo 5/6/2011 7:49:28 AM

  • @bo the teppycam has always been a fix the day this livestream magically appeared they posted the same pic 9 hrs apart the second one just tinted or maybe the first had been tinted or maybe they were both versions of a third lol so funny they treat people as stupid yet it's them who are the reall pathetico's
    by elainekirk 5/6/2011 7:50:42 AM

  • @ralph are the 2 livecams? I believe the are real I am also not shutting my mind to smosses suggestion that their appearance along with radiation release date predictions is not iffy
    by elainekirk 5/6/2011 7:51:46 AM

  • @elainekirk ah! Well the TEPCO cam sure just looks like a nice postcard.
    by bo 5/6/2011 7:51:48 AM

  • There appears not to be one news story related to the leaning of #4
    by bo 5/6/2011 7:52:26 AM

  • Clouds close to the area. www.hko.gov.hk
    by Ralph Unger 5/6/2011 7:53:48 AM

  • @bo we dont know how many watch the live feed I certainly dont see it in my feed twitter ussually reflects
    by elainekirk 5/6/2011 7:54:33 AM

  • Dolphin hunt in Taiji extended though May 31

    WAKAYAMA, Japan, May 6, Kyodo english.kyodonews.jp
    by Edano 5/6/2011 7:56:38 AM

  • @Ralph Unger well that doesn't appear to be clouds, it is more like fog
    by bo 5/6/2011 7:57:11 AM

  • I have a friend who is a producer at RT (Russia Today) cable news channel. Do you all think I should give her a heads up?
    by bo 5/6/2011 8:00:12 AM

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