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Yep BO, but the cam is up in the mountains, so a cloud is fog.by Ralph Unger 5/6/2011 8:01:00 AM
Ok @smoss should we go for gold and out predict tepco
for days we watched on a mysterious webcam as #4 slowly leaned over and her sfp on the 8th day could be supported no more and the whole structure keeled over (this can easily happen on the 8th with the addition of water if needed to weigh it down) the world watched in horror as the valiant tepco offficials came on nhk to say sorry before rushing off to cope with the logistcs if running the show from as far away as possible.
Then goj and iaea and nisa and and and all apppeared in the studio in tepco execs basement to announce (in a weeping fashion) that they were going to have to dump in the ocean......by elainekirk 5/6/2011 8:01:56 AM
I can send her (the RT producer) the pics Nancy pulled earlier todayby bo 5/6/2011 8:03:03 AM- Cloud ceiling there is smog , and it is at 1 meter.by Ralph Unger 5/6/2011 8:03:20 AM
- @ralph there is a very goo blogger living up in the hills I should imagine many people living up there would happilly have a webcam running but surely it is too radioactive to actually be living there is it on remote control do you think ?by elainekirk 5/6/2011 8:05:03 AM
- The cam from TBS?by Ralph Unger 5/6/2011 8:06:00 AM
- yes @ralphby elainekirk 5/6/2011 8:06:15 AM
- Would these pics from 24hours ago work for comparing #4 ? sure how to post pic. but there are a bunch of stills here. s1097.photobucket.comby ch edited by elainekirk 5/6/2011 8:06:46 AM
- That is from 30 km away , it is a telescope with a cam attached.by Ralph Unger 5/6/2011 8:07:28 AM
Fewer workers willing to brave radiation risk at crippled Fukushima plant bit.lyby Veenie edited by elainekirk 5/6/2011 8:08:51 AM- @elainekirk Here are some stills taken and posted about 24hours ago. They are from webcam and looks like #4 was leaning then too. Maybe someone can send them to Nancy? s1097.photobucket.comby ch edited by elainekirk 5/6/2011 8:09:10 AM
- @edano they can't do that it would indicate there was a problem and we all know tepco have everything under their control including government and international agencyby elainekirk 5/6/2011 8:18:14 AM
- from @veenie's link
A different worker said angrily: "I asked my employer about the details of my employment contract, including what compensation will be paid when I am exposed to high-level radiation. But I have not received a reply. Such an attitude is not one that should be taken toward people who are working so hard in such dangerous places. "
www.asahi.comby elainekirk 5/6/2011 8:20:32 AM - @ch I will send them to nancy tyby elainekirk 5/6/2011 8:21:48 AM
- Any advice from anyone on alerting the press?by bo 5/6/2011 8:28:38 AM
- Sorry Bo, about what? I do have a few contacts.by Ralph Unger 5/6/2011 8:30:22 AM
- @bo about #4?by elainekirk 5/6/2011 8:30:28 AM
- Yup, I have a friend who is a producer at RT (Russia Today) news channel. They have been very interested in Fukushima. I can give her a heads up on the leaning of #4by bo 5/6/2011 8:31:14 AM
- FYI: rt.comby bo 5/6/2011 8:32:44 AM
- #4 Is worse? It has spilled so much radiation into the land and sea , I cannot imagine that there could be worse news.by Ralph Unger 5/6/2011 8:33:09 AM
- @ralph @bo many here have said all along that tepco are clever when it comes to diverting attention and it is working with the ##1 farceby elainekirk 5/6/2011 8:36:11 AM
This was an interesting comment from down the road...
Re: Japan Earthquake: nuclear plants
I agree with you guys, something was different about unit 3. Way more energetic.
I too have looked for a mechanism to cause criticality in the pool but cant find one. It'd take something to remove the poison to let it go critical. and they weren't spraying the pools yet i believe.
I even looked into fission cross sections for fast neutrons on premise boron is transparent to them and maybe removing moderator by uncovering half the fuel made it into a fast reactor,
but decided that to best of my meager understanding the cross sections are a decade too low even at 3n per fission Pu ~5%.
Maybe one of you heavy duty reactor physics guys can confirm? Just an "Are you crazy?" would suffice. i'm asking because i dont know for sure, not to make points.
i had one course in it and that was over forty years ago and i struggled then. my field was PWR instruments not BWR nucleonics.
but it'd be intuitive to somebody who does it every day.
so i am watching you folks brainstorm.
will be quiet now. old jim
www.physicsforums.comby Rob in SF 5/6/2011 8:36:25 AM- It is funny how we learn respect for others networks, this morning I wanted to unplug an ATM because it was malfunctioning. The store clerk looked at me in a funny way any did not ask me not to do it, but her look told me please do not do that. So I left the thing in it's broken state.
by youby Ralph Unger 5/6/2011 8:39:05 AM - Unplug it an plug it in again! DOH!.by Ralph Unger 5/6/2011 8:40:20 AM
- -TEPCO has responded to NISA's request regarding the safety of flooding the dry well of No. 1 plant. According to the report (I've read it) there will be no hazards to the dry well or building structurally. NHK has reported that this reactor plant's dry well and reactor pressure vessel volume will require about 7400 tons of water to be added to cover the fuel. TEPCO assures that the building will hold against the originally designed seismic parameters even with the added water mass.
-Water injection rate at No. 3 plant has been increased slightly to mitigate a slow temperature rise; this is the non-specific flow rate increase reported here earlier in the week.
-TEPCO has stated that the decay heat removal required for No. 1 plant .. to be dissipated by the partly "rigged," partly installed system .. amounts to about a 1500 kilowatt rating and will require about 100 tons of water per hour.
atomicpowerreview.blogspot.comby Rob in SF 5/6/2011 8:41:42 AM - It will float off to an octopuses garden in the shade. Beatles. This is the chatty board?by Ralph Unger 5/6/2011 8:43:37 AM
- Off to bike home, although there may be a stop for a glass of wine en route. Be back in an hour or two.by bo 5/6/2011 8:49:09 AM
- by Ralph Unger 5/6/2011 8:51:24 AM
www.tepco.co.jp
Tubo totalemente.by Rob in SF via Tepco.co.jp 5/6/2011 8:52:10 AM- @rob are you impressed by that can you see all the nooks /crannies/ rooms/stairwells etc being cleared?
by elainekirk 5/6/2011 8:56:17 AM - @rob do you know what the pipes are made of? it looks quite dependent on airflowby elainekirk 5/6/2011 9:03:05 AM
- @elainekirk Those tubes are some quality inflatables... Like Seal team pontoon boats. ;^)
It does look pretty neat & tidy in that shot.by Rob in SF 5/6/2011 9:06:52 AM 
www.tepco.co.jp
This is a huge image, "Radiation testing" 3648x2736 pixels original. What a mess on the ground...by Rob in SF via Tepco.co.jp 5/6/2011 9:17:15 AM- @rob thanks for putting my mind at restby elainekirk 5/6/2011 9:31:56 AM
- OK I buy that? "Nuclear policy to impact EOn results" www.world-nuclear-news.orgby Ralph Unger edited by elainekirk 5/6/2011 9:49:52 AM
- @ralph ''and billions of euros in new taxes relating to the lifetime extensions for nuclear power stations in Germany."
It is easy to see how governments prefer to pander to a corporate taxpayer than the electorate far less effort per dollar/euro/yen etcby elainekirk 5/6/2011 9:59:01 AM - No one can build a nuke plant. End of story!. But if governments cover them then? And cover all insurance liabilitys? Sweet, I could make a nice meth lab under those conditions!. Or a very dangerous theme park. LOLby Ralph Unger 5/6/2011 10:06:52 AM
- Or a nuke plant.by Ralph Unger 5/6/2011 10:07:53 AM
- well Scotland just went totally to the anti nuke party in the pollsby elainekirk 5/6/2011 10:09:18 AM
- I guessed that , but how can Japan do that?by Ralph Unger 5/6/2011 10:09:56 AM
Back folksby bo 5/6/2011 10:10:44 AM- BS is cheap, but much of their power is nuke and they are not on any other grids.by Ralph Unger 5/6/2011 10:11:10 AM
- Unlike Germany.by Ralph Unger 5/6/2011 10:11:32 AM
- mmm looks like the affected Japanese are going to be denied the chance to decide for awhile www.asahi.comby elainekirk 5/6/2011 10:14:57 AM
- In this mess, I actually believe the BS.by Ralph Unger 5/6/2011 10:15:52 AM
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