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  • @Nancy my thinking was they needed to move it as it was under the tippling side and they moved it to there and are using the camera not water they will need to check the stucture and from the new position they can see the side that was hit by the missile and is now leaning inwards
    by elainekirk 5/7/2011 1:05:24 PM

  • ty Nancy
    by dean 5/7/2011 1:07:09 PM

  • @elainekirk The yellow line, I dropped into that shot during the debate about the Leaning Tower of DaiChi. That shot you could clearly see the R2 roof line. That yellow line just extended it out to se how it compared with the other buildings.
    by radioguy 5/7/2011 1:09:48 PM

  • @elainekirk that corner would be a vantage point where they could still spray the SFP and the other areas that get hot. The end of the crane can be angled. In older images they show it angled down to spray the sfp and angled up higher to spray over the hot area on the work deck.
    by Nancy 5/7/2011 1:10:07 PM

  • @Nancy of course yeah!! I didnt think !! the arm where it is now can be swung to the sfp ty
    by elainekirk 5/7/2011 1:11:56 PM

  • It was the first dust/fog-free shot I'd seen on that cam all day sop I grabbed it for comparison..
    by radioguy 5/7/2011 1:12:38 PM

  • @radioguy ty I forgot to look whose pic it was I just guessed somebody would have posted one I am glad the yellow line is no longer bugging me :)
    by elainekirk 5/7/2011 1:13:26 PM

  • @Nancy, Elaine - have you passed on information about the leaning buildings to places like the physics forum?
    by dean 5/7/2011 1:15:33 PM

  • @dean I didn't think to since they had people discussing it. Were you thinking photos etc?
    by Nancy 5/7/2011 1:18:16 PM

  • @elainekirk Yes, that was what made me realize that the image is not square. The horizon line the cam is taking is just a bit false, more I think from the perspective distortion on what is basically an angle shot being flattened into the illusion of 2-dimensional flatness by the telephoto.
    by radioguy 5/7/2011 1:19:08 PM

  • Hence the waves in the sky. The shot looks like we'
    r
    by radioguy 5/7/2011 1:20:07 PM

  • e looking side-on, but we're actually looking down on it a little.
    by radioguy 5/7/2011 1:20:49 PM

  • @gm, if the building was actually leaning, we would see the operators scrambling to set up outside braces to stabilize the structure. I must be some optical twist. I was scrolling backward, reading the discussion about air filters. A good idea for those who own a radiation detector may be to check the A/C air filters on a regular basis. Airborne contaminants will concentrate in these filters and hence contamination will be easy to detect, particularly during the summer.
    by Peter Melzer 5/7/2011 1:21:20 PM

  • I still go with #4 leaning and why would they move the pump? my money is still on 4 toppling but I do eat my words often so it is just my opinion :)
    by elainekirk 5/7/2011 1:23:33 PM

  • by radioguy via I55.tinypic 5/7/2011 1:25:06 PM

  • Hi all. I 'm not sure about this but 2 days ago, when the buildings were lit up & there was a glow low down on the north side of 4 I thought I saw the arm of the concret sprayer going up diagonally towards the same wall. Whatever it was it moved over the course of 30 mins. I thought it had to be something different because of the angle. But the picture was bad -don't know if anyone took some screen shots?
    by UKVal 5/7/2011 1:26:35 PM

  • @radioguy I'm not totally convinced it is camera distortion. Marie pointed out that the two walls seem to be sort of collapsing in at each other and to the south. As far as scrambling to brace the building, the seaside has a half height building on that side, they can't get to it to put in braces. The south side they might be able to put in braces, could possibly be part of moving the crane. Moving the crane to the left corner raises my suspicions again. As far as camera distortion, I'm not ruling it out but you would likely get some additional distortion of some sort on the left side.
    by Nancy 5/7/2011 1:26:47 PM

  • @UKVal it would be worth finding out if all this live feed is archived somewhere or if someone has a computer set up to take periodic screen shots.
    by Nancy 5/7/2011 1:27:43 PM

  • I was just pointing out that the eye's natively assumed and believed horizon line is false. That building still looks distorted. It just looks worse becasue of the false horizon line.
    by radioguy 5/7/2011 1:28:36 PM

  • video.search.yahoo.com not sure if you have seen this one @all interesting perspective and maybe some more identifiable objects like the yellow cap etc.... out at about 2:32 or so it kinda looks like colums on building are slightly tipping
    by dean 5/7/2011 1:28:36 PM


  • yes Nancy, that would be interesting for the PHYSICS folks to digest
    by dean 5/7/2011 1:29:35 PM

  • @dean that went to the multiple videos page. I looked back at some of the photos of 4. there are a number of concrete supports that are broken.
    by Nancy 5/7/2011 1:29:48 PM

  • www.yomiuri.co.jp

    Just got an explanation of this from yomiuri
    Black ones are nuke power plants in operation. White ones are under regular check-up. The rest are in trouble. So there ae more than fuku in trouble

    by elainekirk via Yomiuri.co.jp 5/7/2011 1:30:42 PM

  • @fitter US Navy still carrying TEPCO's water. The engineers will also start moving fresh water carried by a U.S. Navy barge to tanks at the plant, which will be injected into the reactors to cool them down.

    The barge containing 300,000 gallons of fresh water is now moored at the Daiichi power station, while another ship carrying an additional 200,000 gallons is expected to arrive later Friday, according to the U.S. Navy. english.kyodonews.jp
    by RBeaner 5/7/2011 1:32:37 PM

  • Just realised you cant easily see the x's on pic you will have to go to the pic itself www.yomiuri.co.jp
    by elainekirk 5/7/2011 1:33:10 PM

  • @Nancy -those screenshots seem to be day time ones ( I didn't go through them all) -this was at night
    by UKVal 5/7/2011 1:35:29 PM

  • All on that coast are listed in trouble. What's that 5th one down, with only only reactor? Is that the Tokai Nuclear Fuel Works?
    by radioguy 5/7/2011 1:36:18 PM

  • 東海第一
    by Jocke_Jensen 5/7/2011 1:36:52 PM

  • accidently hit enter, it say toukai daini
    by Jocke_Jensen 5/7/2011 1:37:10 PM

  • @jocky thank you :)
    by elainekirk 5/7/2011 1:37:54 PM

  • @Jocke_Jensen Thank you. Is there a Tokai Daiichi?
    by radioguy 5/7/2011 1:38:04 PM

  • Or was there once?
    by radioguy 5/7/2011 1:38:24 PM

  • www.reuters.com March 15th mention.
    by radioguy 5/7/2011 1:41:05 PM

  • Not sure, wikipedia says Tokai #1 reactor got dismantled this year. Dunno if there are two separate plants though.

    en.wikipedia.org
    by Jocke_Jensen 5/7/2011 1:41:08 PM

  • @Jocke_Jensen So that was the one that had the 1999 accident, that was set to be dismantled by 2006, I guess?
    by radioguy 5/7/2011 1:43:17 PM

  • be back in a bit
    by dean 5/7/2011 1:43:49 PM

  • @radioguy that was at
    a reprocessing plant if i recall corectly?
    by Jocke_Jensen 5/7/2011 1:45:20 PM

  • Yes. Do they have an onsite reactor?
    by radioguy 5/7/2011 1:46:20 PM

  • by Jocke_Jensen 5/7/2011 1:46:21 PM

  • D
    id they?
    by radioguy 5/7/2011 1:46:30 PM

  • @Nancy , when they withdraw the concrete pump all of a sudden, we know that the sh** hit the fan.
    by Peter Melzer 5/7/2011 1:47:44 PM

  • @RBeaner thanks for the info, were did you find it have not seen much on he military latley, have you seen anything on if and why they have not restored outside water supply, or if they are just set up to pump fom barges due to reptures in side the plant
    by fitter 5/7/2011 1:48:46 PM

  • @radioguy Tokaimura reprocessing facility is around 3.5 km from the Tokai nuclear power plant
    by Jocke_Jensen 5/7/2011 1:52:31 PM

  • Iv'e been looking for references to the normal groundwater height for some time. This level was referenced about normal, routine pumping of groundwater to ocean to prevent plant from "floating".

    "TEPCO officials said the contaminated water was taken from a facility that discharges water to a ditch after groundwater has been pumped up from a depth of about 15 meters.

    The pumps are located around the reactor building and designed to prevent the building from moving due to the buoyancy of the groundwater. www.asahi.com

    After the March 11 Great East Japan Earthquake, the pumps removing groundwater stopped operating so groundwater has not been flowing directly into the ocean through the discharge ditch.
    by RBeaner 5/7/2011 1:53:36 PM

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