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  • @Peter Melzer they moved the pump. so what does that mean?
    by Nancy 5/7/2011 1:54:53 PM

  • OK, Cool. I'm still trying to get the lay of the land. in the 2all NWIWBI section (not what i wanted but interesting) this came up in a search. www.ansn-jp.org
    by radioguy 5/7/2011 1:55:02 PM

  • @rbeaner brings a whole new meaning to 'built on bedrock'
    by elainekirk 5/7/2011 1:55:27 PM

  • steam still 'shooting' from side of #3 pointscope01.jp
    by elainekirk 5/7/2011 1:57:48 PM

  • I started going back through old photos of 4 looking at existing damage. Both end walls (north-south) have frame damage. North end has frame damage below the work deck. They have also had a couple of 6.0 quakes since then.
    by Nancy 5/7/2011 2:02:54 PM

  • @RBeaner thanks that explains the design factors of the "trenches" and have not traces the cource end of pipes, but they have a lot that seem to dump into a trench system... was very confused on what they were putting there.... but it would add to the paramerters.. they seen to be of a larger OD. so would process larger quainities.. thank very helpful....
    by fitter 5/7/2011 2:05:11 PM

  • @Nancy , a number of the vertical pillars show big cross fractures. This thing is held together by the rebar.
    by Peter Melzer 5/7/2011 2:06:25 PM

  • @elainekirk I believe, (someone correct me if I am wrong, and we don't have any drawings) when they say bedrock they are infering that the foundation supports are downto the bedrock.... an example would be the main supports a brigde sturecture..
    by fitter 5/7/2011 2:07:29 PM

  • @fitter I don't think they have any normal water supply in the devastated coastal area there. I think the US military is keeping a low profile over there. Shipping food and goods mostly, help where they can. It is possible the water in the barges is Pure water (distilled). I don't know if it is or not, but would make for easier processing later on.
    by RBeaner 5/7/2011 2:10:01 PM

  • @Nancy, did they stop adding water with it all together? That would be an indication that they expect something major to happen.
    by Peter Melzer 5/7/2011 2:10:23 PM

  • @fitter you are right I was merely being sarcastic
    by elainekirk 5/7/2011 2:12:38 PM

  • @fitter Don't have a link for it, but early on (~mar 20 or so), so an article that talked about the groundwater issue, I only remember that the gyst was alot of water was pumped regularly, maybe 12 hrs a day??. My thoughts were that the rising groundwater was going to be a problem because they werfe no longer pumping it. Nuclear reactors should not have descriptive words like "bouyancy".
    by RBeaner 5/7/2011 2:15:07 PM

  • by xxx 5/7/2011 2:19:40 PM

  • @RBeaner would have to agree with you on all subjects... it makes sense to have the distelled water, dought they have the facilities to do much at site... even if water was on the the main, don't think digging up main water line is a priority now, the pumps probably not operonital anyway... thanks let me know if you see much more..
    by fitter 5/7/2011 2:23:33 PM

  • @Peter Melzer I don't know if the are spraying or not right now just that the crane was moved. It usually stays in one spot. They have everything set up on that south end for it and they could reach both the sfp and the hot spot from there. The corner they moved it to would make it harder to hit the hot spot.
    by Nancy 5/7/2011 2:23:35 PM

  • @RBeaner Comment of the day so far: "Nuclear reactors should not have descriptive words like "buoyancy".
    by radioguy 5/7/2011 2:25:57 PM

  • @fitter On Hamaoka they just claimed it was built on bedrock. My understanding was in the manner they would a bridge or other large civil structure or big building where footings or supports go down to bedrock if it is impractical to build underground down to it.
    by Nancy 5/7/2011 2:26:11 PM

  • @RBeaner brings interesting question to mind.... if they have to pump groundwater on regular basis... now they "appear" to have contaimenated groundwater... they have a lot of water to deal with that is not "clean" Clean and Hot have taken on a whole new concept these days..
    by fitter 5/7/2011 2:26:11 PM

  • @xxx That CTBTO report is the most meaningful dataset we have. Look at 3-15 to 3-16. Add up the amounts of Te-132 and I-132 (its daughter product). The ratio of tellurium to iodine-131 is 270%. In Chernobyl, it was 65%. In TMI and SL-1, it was very small. Exposed rods alone cannot account for it.
    by Bobby1 5/7/2011 2:26:21 PM

  • @Nancy that I know was trying to explain to elaine, from the post it sounded like she thougth that they put the foundation on the rock... thanks.
    by fitter 5/7/2011 2:27:41 PM

  • @Nancy, that can only mean that they are taking precautions to protect the truck from falling objects. The truck is valuable. Perhaps they hear the structures moan and groan when they are close.
    by Peter Melzer 5/7/2011 2:28:20 PM

  • Where we live many of the neighborhoods are built on old wetlands. Houses come standard with a sump pump system. I would assume the NPP would have some sort of groundwater removal system if the entire thing is on top of groundwater like they state. Not having that system running could contribute to water infiltration in lower levels.
    by Nancy 5/7/2011 2:28:51 PM

  • @fitter The thing is it was built back in the late 60's, I have no idea what the structural support requirements would have been back then. 46 meters to bedrock is a long way down. Would they have sunk piers that far down? Any facts or links on this?
    by RBeaner 5/7/2011 2:30:23 PM

  • @Peter Melzer the fact that moving it to where they did makes doing the job of where we know the hot spots to be more difficult is significant. This all makes me curious how the containment bulb plays into this. The building also appears to be listing to the side that the reactor well is offset towards. I don't know if it is a factor or not. Some of the earthquake structural testing mentioned the offset reactor well added to building instability if it swayed in a quake due to having weight not evenly distributed.
    by Nancy 5/7/2011 2:31:54 PM

  • @Peter Melzer prehaps they moved it because of something simple like wind direction change, blowback or some other equally innocuous reason.
    by RBeaner 5/7/2011 2:32:14 PM

  • @RBeaner I don't know but the building of the brooklyn bridge is old, but an excelent source of what they back them... I am short on time... would not want to coment on foundations with out lookin at some things
    by fitter 5/7/2011 2:32:37 PM

  • @RBeaner They would need a strong out to sea wind for that to make a difference. Anyone know what current wind conditions have been?
    by Nancy 5/7/2011 2:33:13 PM

  • @RBeaner also meter have no immediate correlation to me, i have to stop and look it up in feet... do you know apprx what that is.. switching tabs knock my computor out and have ot reopen every thing
    by fitter 5/7/2011 2:34:49 PM

  • @Nancy Current winds www.jma.go.jp
    by Bobby1 5/7/2011 2:34:59 PM

  • @fitter US forcec - Japan website has info about what they are up to www.usfj.mil
    by RBeaner 5/7/2011 2:35:03 PM

  • @Nancy Did they move it before or after the 4.8 EQ they had 10 hours ago? The EQ was centered very close to the plant at 37 miles west.
    by LM 5/7/2011 2:35:56 PM

  • @RBeaner thanks
    by fitter 5/7/2011 2:36:08 PM

  • @LM Elaine noticed it before it went dark over there again so maybe 4-6 hours ago?
    by Nancy 5/7/2011 2:37:37 PM

  • @fitter a meter is 39.37 inches, ~3.3 Feet so 46 meter = 152 feet, just think of meters as "long yards" LOL
    by RBeaner 5/7/2011 2:38:32 PM

  • very mild winds 1-3mph headed mostly north with a 1-3 mph seaward wind in what looks to be north of the plant location. So wind probably wasn't a factor looking at the weather map Bobby posted.
    by Nancy 5/7/2011 2:39:44 PM

  • @Nancy Hmmmm.....stability is definitely an issue.
    by LM 5/7/2011 2:39:53 PM

  • @RBeaner ty that i can remember, will loook up the casions on the brokly bridge in a whike
    by fitter 5/7/2011 2:40:16 PM

  • I have been seeing it in tweets for awhile and it now looks official
    "Naturally," "sudden" decision of the Prime Minister from the ruling and opposition parties pros and cons
    translate.google.com

    by elainekirk 5/7/2011 2:41:42 PM

  • @RBeaner have to look up deep sea oil rig, it would be a good source on depths.. will try and look at later... but lack of groundwater pumping i would expect to be an important variable here
    by fitter 5/7/2011 2:44:37 PM

  • @elainekirk That translation is unintelligable to me
    by RBeaner 5/7/2011 2:45:25 PM

  • @elainekirk what does it refer to
    by fitter 5/7/2011 2:46:14 PM

  • winds 14 hours ago appeared stronger though & blowing towards the sea as the steam was almost horizontal.
    by UKVal 5/7/2011 2:46:18 PM

  • @UKVal are they under a treat from the storm posted yesterday in the lower hemispere
    by fitter 5/7/2011 2:47:17 PM

  • @fitter- Thunder on the other page suggested not
    by UKVal 5/7/2011 2:48:14 PM

  • @UKVal ty
    by fitter 5/7/2011 2:48:35 PM

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