Japan Earthquake

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Im scrolling back for a bit, but does anyone have the tippy cam link? Im traveling. This week in NC the Alligator river Preserve which houses a project that reintroduces red wolves to NC has been on fire. Over 2 thousand acres and the smoke from there is wafting across the state. From the east to Raleigh, and the cicadas are buzzing, just felt nasty and seemed so strange. I wonder if you could put scents on nuclear rads and then be aware of there presence. Most people I talk to say they don't get informed b/c there's nothing they can do.
by carabnr 5/13/2011 12:16:46 PM

tippy cam www.youtube.com
by lillymunster 5/13/2011 12:17:47 PM

@LM Just saw this now, the same mindset as myself. Would be an interesting psycology study, probably already has been done. I think I'll look around! "Americans need to be slapped in order to get their attention...and radiation is invisible. @Bo and the effects are delayed...so true." by LM at 5/13/2011 1:20:41 AM9:20 PM yesterday
by RBeaner 5/13/2011 12:17:50 PM

ty lilly
by carabnr 5/13/2011 12:18:52 PM

@RBeaner Americans must have short memory (join the club); how can they not be aware of the dangers after all the bad experiences they've had with nuclear power since the early 50s
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by Pedro Jesus 5/13/2011 12:21:05 PM

Latest Discussion from Fairewinds Newly Released
Fukushima - One Step Forward and Four Steps Back as Each Unit Challenged by New Problems faiYesmyrewinds.com
by Majjham Zazen edited by lillymunster 5/13/2011 12:22:12 PM

@Pedro Jesus Well, it obviously can't happen to us! "In light of this research, we may want to think twice when we start feeling panicky about things we read about in the news. We may feel like those things may happen to us at any moment, too, not because that’s actually true but because of a misattribution of arousal" psychologyinaction.org weird denial!!
by RBeaner 5/13/2011 12:29:53 PM

@Pedro Jesus I saw the same thing here in the US over the WI labor disputes. Some people had just resigned themselves that they were not able to do anything about it therefore they don't have to worry about it and they were justified in ignoring everything going on. Some would actually get mad at people for pointing out some of the broad labor issues that impacted people in all states. It was a very twisted logic to justify sticking your head in the sand.
by lillymunster 5/13/2011 12:36:18 PM

New info on the curtains online.wsj.com
by lillymunster 5/13/2011 12:38:54 PM

Wow that Fairwinds statement really confirms everything we've been saying. I had't heard about the school that had such high levels of rads, that they had to wear masks. As Arnie said. That is unconscionable, as he said. I'm seriously concerned for the locals in Japan, and their children.
by carabnr 5/13/2011 12:39:05 PM

Plan to flood Fukushima reactor could cause new blast, experts warn
Plant operator Tepco reveals meltdown and breach of pressure vessel, with Greenpeace warning against pumping water in
www.guardian.co.uk
by Majjham Zazen 5/13/2011 12:39:06 PM

@lillymunster Look at the polls, How many americans have ridiculus beliefs, birthers, UFO's, alien abduction and 9/11 self immolation. We, as a society, have dropped the ability for critical thinking, and voicing our own opinion.
by RBeaner 5/13/2011 12:40:16 PM

Arnold Gundersen explains the origin of all the smoke we are seeing at the TEPCO cams at night. Link is on that link posted by Maijanham. According to Gundersen it is only warm steam venting out. The phenomena is not so obvious during daylight because of the temperature difference between local air and the steam coming from the units being lower during daylight. He says "it is not a bad sign".
by Pedro Jesus 5/13/2011 12:41:09 PM

@RBeaner You call belief in UFO's ridiculous?
by Pedro Jesus 5/13/2011 12:42:39 PM

Gundersens assessment of the current situation in Fukushima-Daiichi NPP is very interesting. Mods might want to pin that video for future reference. Link provided by Maijjham below:
fairewinds.com
by Pedro Jesus edited by Angie 5/13/2011 12:54:31 PM

@Pedro Jesus Yes, he had some really useful assessments in that report. Something on 3 I still have suspicions about is the earthquakes that seem to be happening during the steam shows. I wonder if the movement is sort of shaking things up or causing something to shift that is exacerbating the steam. His mention of the more open containment and water cooling issues on 3 seems to lean that way. I noticed he also confirmed and said TEPCO is confirming now that 4 is leaning. I'm not glad 4 is leaning but nice to be justified that I was right after some of the crap I took for stating this was happening.

by lillymunster 5/13/2011 12:59:46 PM

@bo Refering to your good friends! That is a saddened truth. How horrible it must be! But that was a global (first nuclear) war. Not to minimize or obfusate, but what a nasty time in world history.
by RBeaner 5/13/2011 1:01:21 PM

@lillymunster Yes, in fact he used the word tilting which is pretty much objective. We can confirm some tilting from comparing the more recent pictures to older ones. I wonder what can be done to prevent a total collapse which could be eminent. I'm also worried about the assessment on the plutonium debris found some weeks ago. If it didn't come from the spent fuel pool, then where did it come from? Although by watching the film and the stills from the #3 SFP I do see some slight damage to the racks. Some of it's frame is twisted outwards. No idea of what that might mean.
by Pedro Jesus edited by Angie 5/13/2011 1:05:06 PM

@RBeaner Well, on the up side (I'm positivist by nature) this tragedy will definitely tilt the balance towards renewable sources. I wish the energy industry would support more the automotive industry in steering towards renewable and sustainable energy sources. Mercedes Benz just promoted a world tour with a fleet of Class B Hydrogen Fuel Cell vehicles to prove that the technology is ready to be implemented. BMW has been waiting for years for BP to install more hydrogen refuelling stations in Europe. They have 2 models ready to be introduced to the market. I sincerely hope this disaster will be an eye opener to the energy industry.
by Pedro Jesus 5/13/2011 1:09:54 PM

@Pedro Jesus It sounded like he was saying that the fuel came from #3 SFP via the big explosion. I really want to see some photos of the lower portion of #4 right now. The top half of the gridwork is leaning and buckling. We can't see those lower levels on the web cam. Someone noticed the concrete facing has come off on the lower south side in places. I don't know if they pulled some off to inspect or if those wall sections are moving.
If those lower wall sections are shifting that is bad news. Even if just the top portion of the structure falls over/in it could domino effect other weaknesses. There seems to be evidence of damage at the ground level of the building. The garage of 4 had all the concrete wall panels blown out from the inside. So part of the explosion at 4 happened at ground level inside the building
by lillymunster 5/13/2011 1:18:18 PM

On the up side I have seen comments in the media that they have begun work to shore up #4 and we have seen the black crane nearby. Fitter has mentioned the aspect of #4 being in maintenance could have contributed to the blast. Things like welding tanks, additional equipment and having things disassembled could all add to the problems. One thing he mentioned was having remote welding tanks. I need to find out more about how that would work but he mentioned they put tanks far away from the work sometimes. The shroud replacement uses a machine to do part of the in well assembly. So all these things might be factors.
by lillymunster 5/13/2011 1:42:04 PM

Melted nuclear fuel casts doubt on credibility of TEPCO data mdn.mainichi.jp
by Bobby1 5/13/2011 1:45:02 PM

TEPCO has been conducting a lot of cleaning and spraying of a anti-scattering agent inside the plant. They're also still transferring contaminated water to make room for the leaking water. www.nisa.meti.go.jp
by Pedro Jesus 5/13/2011 1:45:49 PM

@Pedro Jesus : the turn to renewables is basically a turn away from energy industry, and this will be the main problem. renewables afford a decentralized grids, and the energy cartel is not going to support it. the governments have to make strong efforts against the industry if they want a turn in energy production.
by Edano 5/13/2011 1:47:00 PM

US will help contain Fukushima crisis www3.nhk.or.jp
by Bobby1 5/13/2011 1:49:22 PM

Radioactive cesium detected in tea leaves www3.nhk.or.jp
by Bobby1 5/13/2011 1:50:38 PM

@Edano I think the energy industry can adapt and the sooner they make the shift the more profit they will make in the future. I don't think that will be a major problem. The major problem is the mentality of those in the command of this industry. There will always be a need for regulators and the energy industry could take that job into their hands and keep their profit up without affecting the grid in a negative way. It's a win win scenario.
by Pedro Jesus 5/13/2011 1:51:14 PM

@Bobby1 (re: Us will help contain...) ...in the media.
by Askwhy 5/13/2011 1:51:52 PM

@Askwhy Yes, there was a story a couple week ago about the US assisting Japan in squelching "groundless rumors" that Japanese products were contaminated.
by Bobby1 5/13/2011 1:53:38 PM

県北（福島市） ( Fukushima ) Exposure Equivalents (March 13, 2011, 8 a.m.done. - May 13, 2011, 10 p.m.) radiation.monkut.webfactional.com
by Majjham Zazen edited by Angie 5/13/2011 1:53:55 PM

@Bobby1 the only way confidence will be built is by testing programs that people have confidence in. If they don't trust the testing agency it is pointless to do. GoJ keeps thinking the rest of the world will just buy their "no danger" claim and go about their business. It is starting to impact industry, hopefully they come to the realization and start some testing programs before it gets worse.
by lillymunster 5/13/2011 1:56:14 PM

I am going out this morning to see a client, and FWIW his son (not him, not his wife -- heck, not most of my clients) is particularly interested in what is going on in Japan. He has been reading, watching, and passing it on -- he seems genuinely concerned. The only catch: he is about 14 years old and has shown more interest that 90% of the adults I speak with, combined.
by Askwhy 5/13/2011 1:58:42 PM

@Pedro Jesus : i don't agree. i don't want to see huge windparks and solarpanel fields in the hand of a few corporations which can go on dictating the energy price and manipulating the media. i want to see decentralized grids with solar panels on every new built (low energy) house with integrated structures (e.g. electric cars). this will be the real turn, a real revolution, and this will be necessary to solve the problem entirely. i don't want 10 or 20% renewables, i want 100% and end the exhaustion and pollution of the earth.
by Edano 5/13/2011 1:59:58 PM

@lillymunster It's not going to work with Japanese exports, and it won't work with US exports either, if it gets to that point. The world needs full disclosure about contamination in the air, water, sea, food, and other products.
by Bobby1 5/13/2011 2:01:48 PM

@Edano Sure, that is the utopia that we all crave for, but such a dramatic change will take 50 to a hundred years to take place. We need a swift change now and only with the help of the big industry will that be attained. I don't see any other way to change the energy paradigm. Wind turbines and solar panels are still way too expensive for the average family. Constructors and the energy industry as well as the Governments around the world will have to absorb a great deal of the investment burden and they won't do that if they don't get something in return.
by Pedro Jesus 5/13/2011 2:05:57 PM

Morning all This headline made me laugh..........TEPCO searching for 'missing' radioactive water
The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant is trying to locate thousands of tons of radioactive water that has leaked from one of the damaged reactors.

Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, says contaminated water is apparently leaking from the No.1 reactor, which is in a state of meltdown.

TEPCO has injected more than 10,000 tons of water into the reactor since the March 11th disaster damaged the plant. But, less than half that amount is believed to remain in the reactor or its container vessel.

The utility says the leaked water is likely in the basement of the reactor building -- still a no-go zone due to concerns over high radiation levels.

TEPCO is considering using remote-controlled robots to check the situation, but says the wireless links needed to control them may not reach the basement and that it has to explore other options as well. www3.nhk.or.jp
by LM 5/13/2011 2:09:46 PM

@Edano Me too.
by es 5/13/2011 2:10:37 PM

Wow..They might as well as titled it 'Radioactive Water Gone Rogue'.
by LM 5/13/2011 2:10:56 PM

@Pedro Jesus I see residential construction here finally toying with green and energy efficient home features. If people start demanding or buying homes with better design and some built in renewable technology, builders will build more. They only care about selling houses and making money, so if there is a demand and profit to be made they will build that type of residential housing.
by lillymunster 5/13/2011 2:11:23 PM

@LM I noticed Gunderson also stated the land at the plant has sunk 1 foot. They have some major water issues going on
by lillymunster 5/13/2011 2:12:42 PM

@lillymunster There a few companies in Portugal in the design, architecture and building field that have been building more efficient buildings around Lisbon and have been trying to sell at affordable prices, but with the crisis we're going through (we just entered recession this trimester) the banks are holding back from granting loans for housing. But it is improving. There are some good people out there that can make the difference and push the changes forward.
by Pedro Jesus 5/13/2011 2:15:18 PM

@lillymunster The main problem is retrofitting existing houses. It is still too expensive and our Government has no slack for financial incentive at the moment.
by Pedro Jesus 5/13/2011 2:17:48 PM

@lillymunster "Dr. Ko-ichi Nakamura, my friends and a capable marine geologist, made a quick research on the subsidence of the Fukushima Daiichi, in connection with our discussions on the potential consequences of an increase in the underground water level. He reviewed changes in the tide levels in the nearby marine observatories. They are showing discontinuous changes before and after the earthquake, ranging from -0.26 to -0.50 m. This lead him to conclude that the subsidence induced at the Fukushima Daiichi site can be estimated to be somewhere around -0.41 meters." www.ambershariReck.com
by Bobby1 edited by lillymunster 5/13/2011 2:18:30 PM

@lillymunster That caught my attention too. I can't believe how irresponsible they've been about testing. The groundwater needs to be aggressively monitored! It's not surprising that the slab has cracked with all the earthquakes and the water has to go somewhere.
by LM 5/13/2011 2:23:44 PM