Japan Earthquake | Page 1145

  • @bo - I had indeed forgotten that!
    by hudebnik 5/13/2011 7:37:29 AM

  • Snippets of the Hudebnik/Bo thread have been mirrored at the other board. Feel free to continue here, or there, as desired. Thanks. (LOL about the Bikini factoid).
    by ALBLEE edited by alblee 5/13/2011 7:39:54 AM

  • @all - a technical question while I'm here - how did Japan end up with two incompatible 50Hz/60Hz electricity distribution systems?
    by hudebnik 5/13/2011 7:51:41 AM

  • Well, I've got to ride home. We are having some very good friends over for dinner tonight. They are our neighbors, and the husband is a hibakusha. He was five years old when the bomb was dropped. He has almost never talked about it, but finally I heard his story. When he woke up on the morning of the bombing, he had peed his bed and wet the tatami mat. His mother punished him and wouldn't let him go outside to play. He was sitting in his room and feeling angry because he could hear his friends playing outside. Then the house collapsed on him. When he crawled out, all of his friends were dead. Life is stranger than we can imagine. One thing I do love is that he is a very joyous person, and an absolute riot to get drunk with. I'm hoping for that kind of night. Will catch you all a bit later. Mata.
    by bo 5/13/2011 7:53:55 AM

  • Mata @bo, have a great evening.
    by hudebnik 5/13/2011 7:54:48 AM

  • @bo Enjoy your dinner!
    by Angie 5/13/2011 7:57:45 AM

  • by elainekirk 5/13/2011 9:10:25 AM

  • i.telegraph.co.uk
    The news has made one of Britains most respected newspapers
    Nuclear meltdown at Fukushima plant
    One of the reactors at the crippled Fukushima Daiichi power plant did suffer a nuclear meltdown, Japanese officials admitted for the first time today, describing a pool of molten fuel at the bottom of the reactor's containment vessel.
    www.telegraph.co.uk

    by elainekirk via I.telegraph.co.uk 5/13/2011 9:15:14 AM

  • I would love to know why there are brollies there
    by elainekirk 5/13/2011 9:24:59 AM

  • Here's an example of a hot spring that steams. There's snow on the ground indicating the air is cold, and the water is comfortably warm. So we're likely to see more steam from the fuel pools during coolers times, as we have in the night and morning. So increased steam may not be a signal of worsening : www.youtube.com
    by Ian 5/13/2011 9:25:23 AM

  • @elainekirk radioactive rain.................lol gee dont you keep up?? lol
    by Angie 5/13/2011 9:25:49 AM

  • @angie d'oh does that mean that in 300000yrs when the area is safe again 'humans' who are genetic mutations of pre nuclear humans will be running round trying to work out how with only two hands they can manage to hold three brollies mmm maybe they will have more than two arms ...
    by elainekirk 5/13/2011 9:29:48 AM

  • @elainekirk see now you are catching on! the phrase "no immediate threat to human health" is the key thing! lol may have mutations in the generations to come but not immediatly!
    by Angie 5/13/2011 9:32:30 AM

  • Aust a little slow on the news: Japan to help TEPCO pay nuclear victims www.heraldsun.com.au
    by Angie 5/13/2011 9:36:53 AM

  • tepco have posted a response to the TAXPAYERS bailout of them
    May 13th, 2011
    Tokyo Electric Power Company
    Masataka Shimizu, President

    Today, the Japanese government has decided to establish the support scheme
    for TEPCO. We expect the bill for this scheme to be enacted at the
    earliest possible date.

    Under this support scheme, while receiving support from the government, we
    will prepare to compensate those who are suffering in a fair and prompt
    manner.
    www.tepco.co.jp

    Is it only me who thinks there is something not quite right about the people paying their own compensation?
    by elainekirk 5/13/2011 9:42:39 AM

  • @elaine - a bit like the banking crisis there, then...
    by hudebnik 5/13/2011 9:50:00 AM

  • @hudebnik and another ! why partial compo? I guess I know the answer it is because the people will have to claim the rest through the courts and how many are going to have the money/emotional wherewithal to actually take tepco on #justmyopinion

    Press Release (May 13,2011)
    TEPCO's correspondences for pursuant to the government's decision regarding "Emergency support to the afflicted people with the nuclear accident"


    Yesterday, decision was made by "Economic Damage occurred by nuclear power
    plant accident Response team Ministerial Conference" of government of
    Japan that prompt TEPCO to compensate immediately necessary funds against
    the loss suffered by the persons who engaged in Agriculture, Forestry and
    Fishery industry listed in the "primary guideline for judgment the extent
    of nuclear damage caused by the accident in Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear
    Power Station and Fukushima Daini Nuclear Power Station of TEPCO" issued
    by Committee for Adjustment of Compensation for Nuclear Damages Disputes.

    TEPCO will promptly pursue setting up necessary procedure with the
    corporation of related personnel and associations in order to enable
    temporary payment against the loss suffered by the people who engaged in
    Agriculture, Forestry and Fishery industry in light of this decision,
    while we have been processing to establish payment method in accordance
    with the "primary guideline".

    Specifically, we expect the commencement of temporary payment by the end
    of May, and in order to facilitate the payment procedures smoothly, we
    will ask related trade associations to summarize necessary documentations
    regarding the loss which are applicable to the compensation.

    Upon receiving documents submitted by those trade associations, we will
    examine its contents and proceed to pay a certain proportion of the
    claimed amount as temporary compensation payment.

    We will also promptly pursue the necessary procedures to commence
    temporary payment smoothly against the loss suffered by the people of
    small and medium-sized business with the assistance of related
    association in light of the decision made by the government of Japan.
    www.tepco.co.jp
    We will inform you further once we have decided detailed correspondence
    through the coordination with related associations.
    by elainekirk 5/13/2011 9:54:49 AM

  • v.sorry I didnt realise how much room the full article would use I will stick to snippets and link in future
    by elainekirk 5/13/2011 9:56:06 AM

  • Did you ever see a post I had and @Thunder had about the nuclear testing that went on here and the damage it has caused to future generations?
    by Angie 5/13/2011 9:56:58 AM

  • no @angie it would be good as an example of why we are so concerned about fuku whilst most people have put it to the back of their mind
    by elainekirk 5/13/2011 9:59:15 AM

  • April 17, 2011: We all hoped it wouldn't get to this, but the nuclear crisis in Japan is now officially as serious as the 1986 Chernobyl disaster. It's scary stuff but at least nowadays we know what we're up against. A half century ago, we were clueless. That's when the Brits started testing atomic bombs in remote parts of Australia like Maralinga. video.au.msn.com no offence to anyone here meant.
    by Angie 5/13/2011 10:02:40 AM

  • @angie bookmarked for when I get back , certainly not offended - like you say it is a piece of history we should be learning from. I will see you all in a couple of hours
    by elainekirk 5/13/2011 10:06:04 AM

  • NHK WORLD: EPCO is being forced to review its strategy for stabilizing the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant after announcing that one of its reactors is in a state of "meltdown."
    by marie rich 5/13/2011 11:20:13 AM

  • They used the "M" word on nhk!
    by marie rich 5/13/2011 11:20:45 AM

  • Radioactive substance detected in incinerator ashes in Tokyo

    TOKYO, May 13, Kyodo


    A highly radioactive substance was detected in incinerator ashes at a sewage plant in eastern Tokyo in late March, shortly after the start of the nuclear crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power station, metropolitan government sources said Friday.
    by Angie 5/13/2011 11:22:11 AM

  • @Angie Hello, Angie! Imagine, we're just now hearing about it...
    by marie rich 5/13/2011 11:23:18 AM

  • Paper on environmental effect of radiation from Daiichi NPP: web.mit.edu
    by marie rich 5/13/2011 11:35:31 AM

  • Excerpt from paper linked below: In facing such important and far-reaching decisions about trade-offs, it is important to keep in
    mind the nature of our radiation risk estimates, their primary purpose, and how they were
    developed. Radiation risk estimates were not generated to address the hazards of living in a
    contaminated environment. They have been generated in order to establish radiation protection
    guidelines for the workplace1. These situations are so different, and have such drastically
    different requirements for citizens, they require equally different approaches to addressing the
    radiation hazard.
    by marie rich 5/13/2011 11:37:25 AM

  • @marie rich I fully agree! did you watch the link I posted before about nulear teasting here in oz? It is a show of what it can do through generations........very sad really!
    by Angie 5/13/2011 11:39:19 AM

  • @Angie TY, I'll scroll back and chk it out
    by marie rich 5/13/2011 11:40:25 AM

  • Morning-Afternoon-Evening all!
    Fuku seems to have finally hit the US news cycle.
    by lillymunster 5/13/2011 11:49:13 AM

  • NYT: Reactor damage worse than thought: www.nytimes.com

    Bloomberg: Radiation bias hurts manufacturers: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-13/radiation-bias-threatens-fukushima-manufacturers-recovery.html

    SF Gate: Damage to reactor worse than thought: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/05/12/MN9M1JFD73.DTL

    Telegraph UK: livestock cull
    www.telegraph.co.uk

    Then this concerning claim that US plants are safe from the NRC

    www.lohud.com|newswell|text|News|p
    by lillymunster 5/13/2011 11:51:57 AM

  • @lillymunster Morning to you! and That is a very good thing! only took an other meltdown for it to happen in our countries in the msm............
    by Angie 5/13/2011 11:52:29 AM

  • @Angie At least they are finally paying attention. Now is a good time to start pushing the media with additional info on Fuku, like the steam incidents, massive radiation into the water, the plight of the people who are being hurt by this and the lack of proper safety and compensation.
    by lillymunster 5/13/2011 11:54:30 AM

  • @lillymunster I agree! but the
    media here will not say or do anything till the US does it first...seems to be the way things play out no matter how much you hound them.( look how late the last new post I got for here was?) its 10pm on fri13th here.
    by Angie 5/13/2011 11:57:24 AM

  • Hey good morning all...
    by carabnr 5/13/2011 11:59:13 AM

  • Hi carabnr!
    by lillymunster 5/13/2011 12:02:29 PM

  • The media in Portugal is not covering Fukushima-Daiichi any longer. Apparently no head lines of the new finding of the partial to full meltdown at #1. Nothing on radiation either. It seems that has long has we don't detect it, it is not our problem. All attentions of the Portuguese media are focused on our political climate which forecast I dare not comment.
    by Pedro Jesus 5/13/2011 12:02:42 PM

  • (as long as)
    by Pedro Jesus 5/13/2011 12:03:10 PM

  • @Pedro Jesus I fear it it is nearly the same here........and the media is focused on political issues, we just announced the budget for oz..........
    by Angie 5/13/2011 12:05:29 PM

  • So what's up witht the media and the regulatory commisions anywhay? Don't they get it?
    by carabnr 5/13/2011 12:05:49 PM

  • Most are un interested in this event, because they don't understand the true possible consequences. When they hear "radiation", they think invisable.
    by RBeaner 5/13/2011 12:08:09 PM

  • @carabnr The NRC initial statement is just crazy. They seem to be ignoring all the known issues with the old mark 1 units. Uh, they can't operate properly if they lose power... not to mention have insufficient battery life. The power loss flooding combination is a very real threat to some of these plants including one in Nebraska that has sandbags as their plan to avert flooding. They also have no sandbag materials on site and no place lined up to get them.
    by lillymunster 5/13/2011 12:09:37 PM

  • I have some knowledge on this, but I have been unable to share it with my brother, father and mother. They simply don't "see" it as a potential hazard, a threat... like rising floodwaters!
    by RBeaner 5/13/2011 12:11:22 PM

  • @RBeaner Monticello NPP is high enough up the Mississippi to have a major flood event less likely, there are NPPs down river where it is an issue. Ft. Carson in NE is right outside of Omaha and on the Missouri, the Missouri floods frequently in the spring. A double whammy of a tornado around spring flooding could cause the same sort of catastrophe and it is an old BWR
    by lillymunster 5/13/2011 12:14:37 PM

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