Japan Earthquake

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by Rob in SF via Japantimes.co.jp 5/14/2011 8:36:07 PM

@Panserbjorne9 "EDF Energy poised to begin nuclear 'push'" This will be entertaining.
by Rob in SF 5/14/2011 8:37:31 PM

@panserbjorne I can't wait for this one, Scotland won't be having any so they gonna have to convine England tha they want them, can't see that happening
by elainekirk 5/14/2011 8:39:52 PM

Yeah, interesting timing. "hey, you know what we should do now? No time like the present!" (scratches head)
by Panserbjorne9 5/14/2011 8:40:22 PM

"Soil containing radioactivity 10,000 times the normal level was recently found at the bottom of the sea." www.reuters.com
Say goodnight, shellfish.
by Rob in SF 5/14/2011 8:41:47 PM

reprt recommends ahead with the 2nd reprocessing plant at Sellafield too -announced 30th March - delayed for a few days after the disaster at Fuk.
by UKVal 5/14/2011 8:43:18 PM

going ahead I mean
by UKVal 5/14/2011 8:43:35 PM

"There is also a small risk of a corium steam explosion, particularly in the No.1 reactor, which is the plant's oldest and which is believed to have a weak spot.

If workers are unable to continue hosing operations, and if the nuclear fuel manages to melt through the bottom of the reactor and fall into a water pool below, this would result in a burst of heat and a sudden release of a huge amount of hydrogen that could breach the containment vessel.

Should either worst-case scenario happen, high levels of radiation could be dispersed up to 20 km (12 miles) around the site could be dispersed, making it impossible to bring the reactors to a cold shutdown without great sacrifice."

www.reuters.com
by Rob in SF 5/14/2011 8:43:53 PM

NRC waives fire rule violations at nuclear plants: The Nuclear Regulatory Commission is routinely waiving fire rule violations at nearly half of the nation’s 104 commercial reactors, even though fire presents one of the chief hazards at nuclear plants. www.washingtonpost.com
by Panserbjorne9 5/14/2011 8:45:04 PM

The Nuclear Industry should sue TEPCO.
by Rob in SF 5/14/2011 8:46:03 PM

@Rob I am surprised Reuters ran that. So little negative speculation out there now. This is a very legitimate concern.
by Panserbjorne9 5/14/2011 8:47:06 PM

and the worlds citizens should then sue the Nuclear Industry, in that order.
by Lethbridgean 5/14/2011 8:52:12 PM

by Rob in SF via Toonsup 5/14/2011 8:53:45 PM

Hi Everyone. Live radiation Monitor With Sound Redlands, CA www.ustream.tv I wish we had a collection of these sites
by cat 5/14/2011 9:15:05 PM

www.celesteprize.com
by Panserbjorne9 via Celesteprize 5/14/2011 9:15:44 PM

by Edano via Karikatur-cartoon.de 5/14/2011 9:19:39 PM

@Rob, your posted article is not the half of it, think for a minute, that if something happens at one of these reactors, which makes it so bad in the area that nobody can work there, that none of the other reactors will be able to be cooled down. They will in turn each turn deadly. Then look at the area that Reuters stated, 20 km that would be no mans's land. That then puts reactors 5 & 6 into jeopardy, (a few weeks later, another time bomb), and the other TEPCO plant 10 km South of here. (another time bomb weeks later). If you then look at the lay out of all the nuke plants in Japan, it could become a nuclear dominos on the entire island.
by wtm 5/14/2011 9:25:42 PM

@wtm I don't think it would become dominoes across the whole island but the factor of one going bad at Fuku making it impossible to work on the other ones at the plant is a very real possibility if something becomes worse. This is why I was so shocked that they had so many reactors in one complex.
by Nancy 5/14/2011 9:30:33 PM

@Nancy, remember the other day, they gave me so much guff when I said I was surprised that the towers at the complex had not gotten damaged during the explosions. Notice now, on the TBS cam, the center tower is tilted towards the right !!!
by wtm 5/14/2011 9:35:05 PM

@Nancy, So far Japan is lucky that the winds have been going out to sea the majority of the time. I know that at some time during the year that this will change for a while and the winds will be going South. That will not be a good scenario for the area.
by wtm 5/14/2011 9:36:58 PM

@wtm I noticed last night in the feed that the tower between 3 and 4 now looks tilted but the other aspects in the photo, various reactors, other towers seem to be in their relative same places. I am not sure it has moved or not. I am waiting for a few hours until the time of day when the light is really good to try to do another screen capture to analyze. If you see the web cam is zoomed all the way out so that far right tower for the common pool is also in the picture please let me know so I can grab a screen shot.
by Nancy 5/14/2011 9:41:41 PM

@panserbjorne9 I just came back and saw your post on NRC waiving fire rules at nuke plants. Wow. That really concerns me. Three years ago we had to evacuate because of wild fires and I remember driving up the I-5 here in San Diego and passing the San Onofre nuke plant as the fire department was desperately tryIng to keep the flames from jumping the 5 to the plant, which sits on the Pacific right next to the 5. The flames were licking at the lines crossing the highway. Boy...they'll never learn anything will they?
by LM 5/14/2011 9:46:36 PM

OK I know it isn't possible....but is it possible that we are seeing landslip?
It isn't too far fetched a unit at hamaoka was built ON a minor fault
by elainekirk 5/14/2011 9:47:45 PM

I can't speak to the veracity of this news source, but an interesting article about the conditions at the plant and workers being asked to perform tasks they weren't hired for or trained to do.
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by Christine - Minneapolis 5/14/2011 9:49:23 PM

Sorry -- hit return too quickly. Article can be found at mdn.mainichi.jp
by Christine - Minneapolis 5/14/2011 9:49:46 PM

back for a bit... any explosions?
by dean 5/14/2011 9:50:26 PM

@Nancy, use the angle of the #2 building as your vertical straight point. That building has not been damaged. Reference that to the tower. As much stuff that flew out of #3 during the explosion, I was surprised that it had not damaged any of those towers. Then again, might be some of the ground had shifted because of the quakes ??

by wtm 5/14/2011 9:50:37 PM

@dean hi
by elainekirk 5/14/2011 9:51:16 PM

hi elaine
by dean 5/14/2011 9:51:52 PM

@Nancy I can't remember, but did the land always slope off between 3 and 4. For some reason it seems more pronounced, but I could just be seeing things!
by LM 5/14/2011 9:51:52 PM

US Energy Official Daniel Poneman Talks About American Assistance With Fukushima Cover Up www.youtube.com
by Majjham Zazen 5/14/2011 9:53:10 PM

@dean have you seen anything new?
by elainekirk 5/14/2011 9:54:41 PM

Hi Dean! Question for you....I remember you talking about rad levels that would be evidence of a core breach...do you remember off hand what numbers you'd expect? Veenie posted some info earlier that they were seeing 2 sieverts/hr outside doors to 1 near RPV pipes.
by LM 5/14/2011 9:54:46 PM

I haven't elaine.. but been resting some
by dean 5/14/2011 9:55:06 PM

That far right reactor looks like the structure's failing. What are their options if it collapses?
by Christine - Minneapolis 5/14/2011 9:55:30 PM

@all, I am seeing the various things everyone just mentioned. I'm trying to get a new "full view" off the cam so I can compare the entire plant against a previous photo to see what differences are there. Having both #2 and the common pool wider tower will help sort out what is out of whack.
by Nancy 5/14/2011 9:55:47 PM

international media are waking up I wonder if it will result in demands for more info ..and if they will be heeded
by elainekirk 5/14/2011 9:55:50 PM

@Christine - Minneapolis run as fast as they can.
by Nancy 5/14/2011 9:56:01 PM

LM the reactor where I worked ,,, if you pulled a fuel element right out of the water from the reactor or a recently discharged element.. it would read "in air" about 10,000 Sieverts
by dean 5/14/2011 9:56:33 PM

@LM, thats sort of what I am seeing now, the land looks like it has dropped down a bit on the right hand side compared to the left side. We know there were massive cracks in some of the concrete around the plant in that area. Wonder if we have gotten a shift in the earth ??? They got a 6.2 yesterday.
by wtm 5/14/2011 9:56:38 PM

@Christine - Minneapolis "What are their options if it collapses?" Run like hell.
by Rob in SF 5/14/2011 9:56:39 PM

I could belive that on the outside of the shielding door @ LM
by dean 5/14/2011 9:57:51 PM

@dean "If you pulled a fuel element right out of the water from the reactor or a recently discharged element.. it would read "in air" about 10,000 Sieverts"

That's how you made hot coffee?
by Rob in SF 5/14/2011 9:58:00 PM