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  • @Nancy , it was supposed to. They tried and it did not. Tepco reported it could ascertain the ECCS working at 16:36: www.tepco.co.jp . That means the failure was not caused by power outage. Either the controls for the ECCS were lost and/or the cooling system was breached at that point.
    by Peter Melzer 5/15/2011 3:39:04 PM

  • The bits and pieces TEPCO has leaked out about now 2 and 3 likely having the same issues as #1 with meltdown and coolant losses. My guess is a full admission that all 3 are completely breached will come soon. What are the technical odds of corium hitting water in the lower parts of containment and causing more explosions?
    by Nancy 5/15/2011 3:39:31 PM

  • @Nancy TEPCO news conference expected Tuesday...
    by UKVal 5/15/2011 3:40:08 PM

  • @Nancy I think that is the million dollar question.
    by LM 5/15/2011 3:40:33 PM

  • @LM, no slight intended. It is difficult to establish a correct timeline. Who knows how accurate tepco is.
    by Peter Melzer 5/15/2011 3:40:37 PM

  • @Nancy I think you are exactly right about that. This leak paves the way for more revelations. @UKVal precisely.
    by bo 5/15/2011 3:40:38 PM

  • @UKVal My money is on "all is a mess" on Tues. I think that is the same day the Govt announces their roadmap for recovery on their end, compensation, rebuilding etc.
    by Nancy 5/15/2011 3:41:07 PM

  • 'The reactor automatically halted shortly after the 2:46 p.m. earthquake, but its water level dropped to the upper part of the fuel rods and the temperature began to rise around 6 p.m. The damage to the fuel had begun by 7:30 p.m. with most of it having melted by 6:50 a.m. the following day, the utility said.' www.japantoday.com How can they be so precise now if they didn't know before???
    by UKVal 5/15/2011 3:41:49 PM

  • have we got the tepco official reactor core #1 status www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 5/15/2011 3:42:01 PM

  • @you , should have read "could NOT ascertain ECCS is working" at 16:36!
    by Peter Melzer 5/15/2011 3:42:52 PM

  • @elainekirk I posted it a bit ago. We need to make sure Dean gets a copy. It is in my list to add to the doc.
    by Nancy 5/15/2011 3:43:12 PM

  • @Peter melzer I know...not a problem.. The way they've released data makes it particular hard for everyone to analyze. Me thinks it's definitely intentional.
    by LM 5/15/2011 3:43:13 PM

  • for those recently arrived - please can you sign the petition pinned above & forward to anyone else you can think of. We can at least do something...
    by UKVal 5/15/2011 3:45:07 PM

  • Is there a way to safely map where corium is? I read somewhere that having the corium hit a big body of water like in the supression chamber would cause a big steam explosion? Is that right? Does anyone know the odds of it still being hot enough to burn through the concrete pad or has it been cooled long enough where that is not a worry.
    by Nancy 5/15/2011 3:45:10 PM

  • Just my 2 cents...I think they already knew about the full extent of meltdowns but were banking on the leaks not being so large that they could't stay ahead by pumping in tons of water. At TMI they didn't get a good look at the Corium until much later. They've been hoping to avoid the dirty word...meltdown.
    by LM 5/15/2011 3:47:36 PM

  • @Nancy , I suspect the three reactors suffered from the same design deficit that made them vulnerable to this violent quake. Similar things happened to all, except #1 being the worst case because it is the oldest.
    by Peter Melzer 5/15/2011 3:47:40 PM

  • are we putting anything in the organization line for the peitition?
    by Nancy 5/15/2011 3:48:45 PM

  • @Nancy - I don't know how to pin to that page @LM - you could be right
    by UKVal 5/15/2011 3:50:00 PM

  • @Nancy The other question is....do we really know that the Corium in 1 has water covering it? With large leaks and a gauge not giving a reading because of the low level, I'm not sure we can believe Tepco.
    by LM 5/15/2011 3:50:24 PM

  • @Nancy good idea
    by elainekirk 5/15/2011 3:52:10 PM

  • I also read they are increasing water to 1. What effect might this have on the potentially exposed slag? www3.nhk.or.jp
    by LM 5/15/2011 3:53:23 PM

  • @LM : the major problem is: without sufficient data we cannot help tepco !
    by Edano 5/15/2011 3:54:22 PM

  • ;)
    by Edano 5/15/2011 3:54:36 PM

  • @edano So right! Frustrating isn't it.
    by LM 5/15/2011 3:56:31 PM

  • Interesting update from a reporter regarding workers at the plant. I was not aware that foreign workers may not be subject to the safety restrictions Japanese workers are: "Actually, from the perspective of human rights,
    > TEPCO and relating companies could have been making foreing workers
    > work in restricted areas exceeding the limit time."
    by Nancy 5/15/2011 3:57:19 PM

  • @LM they are basing that "covered with water" on the temperature in the lower RPV.
    by Nancy 5/15/2011 3:58:19 PM

  • @Nancy, ugh. So believable.
    by bo 5/15/2011 3:58:49 PM

  • @Nancy I know..I'm not sure we can believe any gauges. I hope it's correct.
    by LM 5/15/2011 3:59:23 PM

  • @bo it makes the call for US (and other) foreign workers seem a big ghoulish now.
    by Nancy 5/15/2011 3:59:38 PM

  • @Nancy, I'm sure any US workers would not be treated like Koreans, Chinese and Filipinos here. Which is a different kind of ghoulish.
    by bo 5/15/2011 4:01:09 PM

  • @Nancy , in that article www.japantoday.com , tepco admits for the first time that both the RPV and the CV are breached. Potentially, the corium sits in the suppression pool.
    by Peter Melzer 5/15/2011 4:01:53 PM

  • Well, after another day of nightmarish news, I'm off to the tatami. See you all in the radiant dawn. Mata.
    by bo 5/15/2011 4:02:23 PM

  • Night Bo.
    by LM 5/15/2011 4:02:48 PM

  • @bo g'night
    by elainekirk 5/15/2011 4:03:35 PM

  • @Peter Melzer : i'm back. what about walraff ?
    by Edano 5/15/2011 4:04:42 PM

  • @Debra Beckham : i always thought it's because you "hook" them on the street .... ;)
    by Edano 5/15/2011 4:10:40 PM

  • @bo , I wish you could read a book chapter by the German investigative journalist Guenter Wallraff, who once signed up for a clean up job in a German nuclear power plant after a radioactive water spill in the secondary containment. The book's title in German is "Ganz unten", meaning "At the bottom". It has been translated in other languages where the title is "Turk Head". I can't find in English, though. In sum, the power company contracted the work out to temp agencies to protect its tenured work force from reaching exposure limits. The temp agencies hired day laborers from street corners, homeless downs and outs, foreigners without papers. They were paid in cash at the end of the day and disappeared in the woodwork. No health insurance, no follow up, no nothing. I am afraid similar strategies are going to be employed here, too.
    by Peter Melzer 5/15/2011 4:11:17 PM

  • @Peter Melzer : he disguised as a turk and called hiomself "Ali".
    by Edano 5/15/2011 4:15:08 PM

  • @Edano, read below. Perhaps you are able to help find an English translation of this book. If you read German, I can only recommend it. If Have seen it also in French and Spanish.
    by Peter Melzer 5/15/2011 4:15:11 PM

  • @Edano, exactly! Ali at the Bottom.
    by Peter Melzer 5/15/2011 4:15:47 PM

  • @Peter Melzer There is already evidence of this. They are bringing in temp workers, not caring about their skill set and using them for that but instead just tossing them into a job. There was a truck driver who was shanghaied into going liquidation at the plant. Multiple stories of them still using day laborers. Many of the workers are sub contractors.
    by Nancy 5/15/2011 4:16:38 PM

  • en.wikipedia.org Günter Wallraff
    by Edano 5/15/2011 4:19:06 PM

  • "Lowest of the Low" is the english title.
    by Edano 5/15/2011 4:20:03 PM

  • interesting sentence in this article from Japan Times August 23rd 2010
    search.japantimes.co.jp
    The No. 3 reactor at Tepco's Fukushima No. 1 plant will be the nation's third pluthermal facility, ***but only the first to be refurbished ****since the plant was built 34 years ago.
    by elainekirk 5/15/2011 4:22:35 PM

  • www.amazon.com the book seems to be a rarity prices from 40-100 $ wheee
    by Edano 5/15/2011 4:26:16 PM

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