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  • @UKVal Yes I have heard it spoken about a lot on here but I really do think having a group of like minded people to talk to helps............
    by Angie 5/15/2011 9:30:02 AM

  • @Angie I agree -I think I'd be banging my head against walls without this group
    by UKVal 5/15/2011 9:31:31 AM

  • @UKVal lol yes I would be the same!
    by Angie 5/15/2011 9:32:23 AM

  • Japan readies new tactics for Fukushima after setback
    Sun May 15, 2011 3:43am EDT
    By Rie Ishiguro and Kevin Krolicki

    TOKYO (Reuters) - Japanese officials are readying a new approach to stabilizing a reactor at a nuclear plant crippled by an earthquake and tsunami after discovering a leak from the containment vessel of enough radioactive water to fill an Olympic swimming pool.

    The discovery has forced officials to abandon their original plan to bring under control the No. 1 reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi plant, crippled by the March 11 earthquake and tsunami. That plan would have entailed cycling a more limited volume of water across uranium fuel believed to have gone into meltdown.

    Despite the setback, Japanese nuclear safety officials and the plant's operator, Tokyo Electric Power (TEPCO), plan to stick to a target of stabilizing the plant and bringing its reactors to a state of "cold shutdown" by January.

    "We want to preserve the timetable, but at the same time we're going to have to change our approach," Goshi Hosono, an adviser to Prime Minister Naoto Kan, told a television talk show on Sunday.

    Outside experts have questioned whether the initial timetable for Fukushima was too optimistic. The 9.0 earthquake and the tsunami that followed unleashed the worst nuclear accident since Chernobyl in Ukraine in 1986.

    Tepco is scheduled to provide an update on progress on Tuesday. In a pair of television appearances on Sunday, Hosono said the government would announce its own timetable for recovery efforts at the same time.

    Tepco is preparing to pay compensation to thousands of residents, farmers, fisherman and businesses for the disaster under a plan directed and partly funded by the government.

    Kan has said Japan's government shares responsibility for the disaster after promoting nuclear power for decades. A government study published last December and made public on Sunday shows that officials had made a detailed analysis of tsunami risk to nuclear plants.

    Also on Sunday, about 7,800 residents northwest of Fukushima began a new round of evacuations. The towns are outside the 30-km (18-mile) safety zone set by the government but stood in the path of the radioactive plume that took shape just after the crisis.

    The 9.0 magnitude earthquake and ensuing 15-meter (46.5-foot) tsunami devastated Japan's northeastern coast, killing more than 15,000 people. A further 9,500 are still missing.

    PROBLEMS WITH RADIOACTIVE WATER

    The wider evacuations come after worrying details emerged about the state of the No. 1 reactor last week. Progress to bring the unit under control has been seen as a test case for how quickly work on three other damaged reactors can proceed.

    Among the revelations: the fuel in the reactor had melted down after the earthquake and dropped to the bottom of the pressure vessel at the core. Officials now estimate that the fuel rods in the No. 1 reactor could have been exposed to the air for as long as 14 hours after the accident.

    A reading taken by a robot on the first floor of the reactor building on Friday recorded 2,000 millisieverts per hour, a level permitting workers to stay in the vicinity for no longer than eight minutes.

    In addition, the reactor's containment vessel has leaked large amounts of the water being piped in to cool the fuel.

    On Saturday, a Tepco worker was able to peer into basement of the reactor building and saw it had filled to almost half its 11-meter (35-foot) height with radioactive water -- an estimated 3,000 tonnes, larger than an Olympic swimming pool.

    Critics have said that pumping in large amounts of water -- more than 10,000 tonnes in No. 1 reactor alone -- puts both the groundwater and nearby Pacific at risk.

    "We have a problem to face dealing with the water," Hosono said. "We have to think of this in terms of a big loop - taking the water out of the plant, cleaning it and then returning it to cool the reactor."

    That marks a break with the previous plan to use a more conventional cooling system. Instead, Hidehiko Nishiyama, a spokesman for the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, said new steps were being readied to treat and store radioactive water.

    Among the major risks ahead, experts say, is the prospect of another hydrogen explosion like those believed to have destroyed parts of the buildings housing reactors No. 3 and No. 4.

    Workers stepped up the flow of water into the No. 3 reactor on Saturday after concern about the heat still being generated by its fuel. Officials also remain worried about the structural integrity of the building in No. 4 that supports its fuel storage pool, an area that raised concern among U.S. officials ca.reuters.com
    by UKVal 5/15/2011 9:44:17 AM

  • Ten lessons from Chernobyl and Fukushima www.miamiherald.com
    by UKVal 5/15/2011 9:46:44 AM

  • something of a rant, but some good points: Fukushima deadlier than Chernobyl? www.asianweek.com
    by UKVal 5/15/2011 9:56:41 AM

  • @UKVal -- January! January! The best case scenario, is a nightmare scenario.
    by bo 5/15/2011 10:09:55 AM

  • @bo - a nightmare indeed. I can only hope that something doesn't happen that will make even that timescale impossible
    by UKVal 5/15/2011 10:12:09 AM

  • jbpress.ismedia.jp and a trsanslation from the physics forum: Translation via yakiniku at Physics Forum

    Additionally, a certain food manufacturing company conducted a survey by themselves. In a rice field is more than 50kms away from the Fukushima power plant, it was found that there was very high radiation that is very different to what the government released.

    High density plutonium is in the rice field that was mentioned previously.

    According to this food manufacturing company, they currently don’t announce these results due to the large influence* that this rice field has high concentration of plutonium.

    * Note: It is not mentioned what the influence is but it implies they do not currently release the information as it may have an impact on the media/public.
    by UKVal 5/15/2011 10:19:13 AM

  • In other words high concentration of plutonium in a field more than 50 kms away.
    by UKVal 5/15/2011 10:21:36 AM

  • I am watching a doco on the discovery channel.........The hour that shock Japan, then straight after is one on the plant. Only ten mins into it and I am seeing footage of the quake that I have never seen.
    by Angie 5/15/2011 10:28:25 AM

  • @Angie cool, I'll check Discovery Channel here in Nihon
    by bo 5/15/2011 10:29:45 AM

  • Well Australia has it then it would of been on some where else surely......If not youtube. The one on the plant is called Emergency in Fukushima. That will be interesting to see what is said about it!
    by Angie 5/15/2011 10:32:55 AM

  • I will be in and out while I watch them.
    by Angie 5/15/2011 10:33:39 AM

  • Nope. We have a rerun of a Bruce Lee biography, a perennial favorite. Probably too soon to show here.
    by bo 5/15/2011 10:36:54 AM

  • can't get it here either
    by UKVal 5/15/2011 10:39:11 AM

  • back in a few kids
    by bo 5/15/2011 10:41:13 AM

  • Kyodo news advisory ' meltdown occured at #1 16 hrs after March 11 quake: TEPCO'
    by UKVal 5/15/2011 10:46:27 AM

  • "Cold shutdown"? Is that what they're calling a blob of corium at the bottom of a reactor vessel? These guys are amazing.
    by bojack54 5/15/2011 10:46:51 AM

  • @ukval I have changed your pin on the www.scribblelive.com
    page to the petition link you posted hope thats ok
    by elainekirk 5/15/2011 10:51:45 AM

  • Re Kyood post - remember TEPCO talked of a 'stuck valve' when they shut doen the plant?
    by UKVal 5/15/2011 10:52:00 AM

  • @elainekirk -that's fine
    by UKVal 5/15/2011 10:52:54 AM

  • Trouble delayed cold shutdown of Hamaoka nuke reactor
    SHIZUOKA, Japan, May 15, Kyodo

    Chubu Electric Power Co. said Sunday that cooling system trouble delayed the 'cold shutdown' of the No. 5 reactor at its Hamaoka power plant in Shizuoka Prefecture for about two hours earlier in the day, while ruling out any external release of radioactive substances.
    english.kyodonews.jp
    by UKVal 5/15/2011 10:55:32 AM

  • Just a thought if you nip to your local bakers , mcdonalds etc and look at their air filtration systems in proportion to their kitchens and then look at that tin box tepco produced photo's of yesterday you have to wonder just how much radiation it is actually going to filter
    by elainekirk 5/15/2011 11:05:34 AM

  • @elainekirk lol!
    by UKVal 5/15/2011 11:06:34 AM

  • NEWS ADVISORY: Meltdown occurred at No. 1 reactor 16 hrs after March 11 quake
    by Edano 5/15/2011 11:09:00 AM

  • didn't we know that from the beginning ?
    by Edano 5/15/2011 11:09:20 AM

  • @UKVal : thy can't even shutdown an intact nuke properly.
    by Edano 5/15/2011 11:10:33 AM


  • @edano they had the control rods that had been found to crack the GOJ had not ordered them not to be used they simply advised that plants ensured that the rods had fully engaged
    by elainekirk 5/15/2011 11:13:09 AM

  • @Edano -yes we knew, but it seems either TEPCO didn't or they are releasing info on a slow boil - bit like the radiation!
    by UKVal 5/15/2011 11:13:10 AM

  • @elainekirk : i think this is just an AC for the admins' bureaus. remember, they were talking about the "beginning warm season" ?
    by Edano 5/15/2011 11:13:54 AM

  • @elainekirk where's that info from- I hadn't seen that I will go find it for you
    by UKVal edited by elainekirk 5/15/2011 11:14:19 AM

  • @Edano -good point. They need to cool the workers down- remember complaints about the effects of wearing the rad suits?
    by UKVal 5/15/2011 11:15:27 AM

  • if tepco had said in the first days that there had been a meltdown international pressure would have seen them monitored at the very least as it is the only reason we are now being told is because asahi have documentary evidence now www.asahi.com
    by elainekirk 5/15/2011 11:16:11 AM

  • @UKVal : not the workers, they don't give a shoot on the workers - it's for the chiefs !
    by Edano 5/15/2011 11:16:34 AM

  • Back for a bit folks
    by bo 5/15/2011 11:17:47 AM

  • @elainekirk : imagine, a two hours delayed shutdown in an emergency situation .......
    by Edano 5/15/2011 11:18:51 AM

  • @Edano where is the news about the meltdown occurring at 16hrs?
    by bo 5/15/2011 11:19:29 AM

  • this is a cnic explanation re the control rods cnic.jp
    by elainekirk 5/15/2011 11:19:42 AM

  • @bo: ha, it's gone now. it was breaking news marquee on Kyodo" UKVal has quoted it, too. the source was "tepco".
    by Edano 5/15/2011 11:21:33 AM

  • @Edano ah, thanks
    by bo 5/15/2011 11:21:48 AM

  • The 16hr reference included in this Reuters story: www.reuters.com
    by bo 5/15/2011 11:23:54 AM

  • A Japanese government's Earthquake Research Committee had put together a report on earthquakes and tsunamis off the Pacific coastline of northeastern Japan in February and was planning to release it in April. The document includes the committee's analysis of a magnitude 8.3 earthquake that is known to have struck the region more than 1140 years ago. This was apparently caused when 3 sections of the seabed shifted simultaneously, triggering enormous tsunamis that flooded vast areas of Miyagi and Fukushima prefectures. The report concludes that the region should be alerted of the risk of a similar disaster striking again. The 11 March earthquake measured magnitude 9.0 and involved the shifting of multiple sections of seabed. Tsunami waves devastated wide areas of Miyagi, Iwate and Fukushima prefectures. www.world-nuclear.org If only that report had been published a year or two earlier - do you think they would have taken counter measures to prevent this tragedy?
    by UKVal 5/15/2011 11:25:27 AM

  • @bo - I saw it on Kyodo in the breaking news banner
    by UKVal 5/15/2011 11:26:14 AM

  • now that they don't know what to do : boom, the kitty float is back ! www3.nhk.or.jp
    by Edano edited by elainekirk 5/15/2011 11:27:39 AM

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